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Post by alex on Jan 12, 2020 7:06:16 GMT -6
Has anybody got any idea where the 3 photos were taken. My bet is that two cows are the same cow but what intrigues me the most is that they all have solid red ears. I don't think they are Herefords albeit that some of their markings are the same. I can understand why you don't like red necks. And by the way Woodford, I dont think its a water trough try a hay bin. The pictures were taken by W. H. Bustin & Son Photography Studio that was located in Hereford, England. The original glass plate negatives are housed in the Herefordshire Record Office. The Herefordshire County Library Service has headed a project to digitize his photographs that have been stored for many years. You can see many of Bustin’s pictures in T. L. Miller’s book, The History of Hereford Cattle written in 1902. My guess is that the pictures were taken in and around Hereford. |
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Post by alex on Jan 12, 2020 7:22:06 GMT -6
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Post by alex on Jan 12, 2020 7:30:41 GMT -6
 This Bustin photographed heifer has rosettes placed on her head from a show. She is probably a Champion. I don’t know the identity of her. |
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Post by alex on Jan 12, 2020 8:43:16 GMT -6
 MAJESTIC 20831, circa 1895. |
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Post by alex on Jan 12, 2020 8:54:54 GMT -6
 ROYAL RINGER 26458, Champion Bull calved in 1907. Property of Sir J. R. G. Cotterell, Herefordshire, England. |
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Post by Glenn on Jan 12, 2020 12:29:54 GMT -6
Love all the pics. Thanks for posting here. I've been seeing them like crazy on your FB. Good lessons for all of us.
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Post by cflory on Jan 12, 2020 15:09:22 GMT -6
The 26458 bull is the most modern-looking I have even seen from that time period. Can't get over how smooth and balanced he is yet not super fat like they usually look. Also, like how slick-haired they all look. Of course, probably well-groomed but you can see long hair on the bull's face.
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Post by alex on Jan 12, 2020 15:51:57 GMT -6
Love all the pics. Thanks for posting here. I've been seeing them like crazy on your FB. Good lessons for all of us. Fell free to use them and post them here as needed. The website reads Individuals are permitted to use, download, transmit, or print images for private, research, or educational purposes, but not for any commercial purpose without further permission from Herefordshire History and/or the original copyright holder/s. www.herefordshirehistory.org.uk/archive/bustin-image-collection/bustin-animals? |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Jan 12, 2020 21:32:11 GMT -6
a few rednecks from the good old days Good pictures, were there any identities of the cattle? I like the wooden water tank on legs too. Woodford You need to send a friend request on FB to "Jachin Herefords & Registered Quarter Horses" he's posting lots of great old photos. |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Jan 12, 2020 21:39:39 GMT -6
Has anybody got any idea where the 3 photos were taken. My bet is that two cows are the same cow but what intrigues me the most is that they all have solid red ears. I don't think they are Herefords albeit that some of their markings are the same. I can understand why you don't like red necks. And by the way Woodford, I dont think its a water trough try a hay bin. Yes you're right, same cow. |
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Post by alex on Jan 13, 2020 18:50:09 GMT -6
A few months ago, I had the good fortune to see and to be allowed to scan a few good pictures that may be interesting to others. I saw that this thread has been quiet for a while and figured a few additions might be fun. The first picture is of the Greenwood, Missouri farm owned and operated by Gudgell and Simpson about 1897. This photo was once published in a book, but the bull Chesterfield was mis-identified, and was corrected after to book had gone to press. The bull on the right and being held by the little kid is Beau Brummel, Registration number 51817. The bull is Don Carlos son by Anxiety 4th #9904 and was born in 1890. The boy must have been pretty proud to hold that bull, but it is a good thing that Beau Brummel was quiet. That kid couldn't have weighed enough to hold a yearling calf, let alone a herd bull if he had taken off. I think that the original of this scan may be the only one left in existence. It was too large to fit on my scanner and had to be photographed instead of scanned. The second picture is Lamplighter, number 51834 a paternal half brother to Beau Brummel and was born in 1891. A lot of American Hereford families descended from Beau Brummel and Lamplighter. In a couple of days or so, I will put up a couple more pictures. There are one or two that are interesting, and I hope that you will enjoy seeing them. Woodford   LADY STANWAY 9, a daughter of BEAU BRUMMEL from Gudgell and Simpson dispersal catalog.  |
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Post by woodford on Jan 14, 2020 11:11:25 GMT -6
 This picture is mostly the same as one that Rockmillsherefords has posted above. It is the 1932 Royal at Kansas City, and I was told that this was the 50th anniversary celebration of the American Hereford Cattle Breeders Association, (before it became the American Hereford Association in 1934). Regardless, this 1932 picture and Rockmillshereford's picture of the 1935 show are interesting because the fact is that most of the country was about bankrupt then, and yet these shows were so large and well attended. In 1932, only two US car makers made a profit. The first is the Nash Motor car company at just over $1 million, and General Motors, also at about $1 million, but it is said that General Motor's account books for 1932 were somewhat creatively written. |
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Post by woodford on Jan 14, 2020 11:17:10 GMT -6
"Real Prince Domino 24 Feeling Philosophical" ! Not sure where this was taken, perhaps where the Real Prince Domino bloodline originated.  |
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Post by Glenn on Jan 14, 2020 11:24:04 GMT -6
Do most ‘Canadian’ bloodlines go back to Real Prince Domino?
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Post by woodford on Jan 14, 2020 12:00:24 GMT -6
Posted by Glenn "Do most ‘Canadian’ bloodlines go back to Real Prince Domino?" Glenn, it gets confusing sometimes reading the Canadian pedigrees because of the Prince Dominos and the Real Prince Domino lines. Many of the Canadian pedigrees that I have read have Prince Domino 9th as a basic ancestor, and I think that I have also seen the 6th and the 10th in Canadian pedigrees, also sons of Prince Domino. Then you have the Real Prince Domino line. Real Prince Domino 1689580 was also a son of Prince Domino, so you see a lot of Real Prince Domino 6th, 9th, 10th, and 33rd in Canadian pedigrees too. The US born bull Silver Standard 4065136, (C00126741) was used a lot in Canada and was also a combination of Real Prince Domino and Prince Domino 9th blood. Canadian bred Britisher Domino C00088813, US 3775498 is a descendant of Prince Domino 9th. My opinion is that the 9th has greater influence than Real Prince Domino in Canada, but not by a lot. Others may know more on this than I. Silver Standard and Britisher Domino are pictured on page 6 of this thread as well as the 9th US 1425000, pictured again below:  Prince Domino was bred by Gudgell and Simpson and sold to Otto Fulscher where Mousel Bros, and Jessie Engel sent Gudgell and Simpson bred cows to be bred by Prince Domino. Jessie Engel was the one that bred Prince Domino 9th. To add to the confusion, Engel also raised "The Prince Domino" 1475000, as well. Pictured below are Jessie Engel and his brother Byron next to Jessie's son in law?, Jos. E. Summers  |
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Post by alex on Jan 14, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -6
 DOMINO, from Gudgell & Simpson dispersal. Sold to J. C. Robinson & Sons, Evansville, Wisconsin for $1625 when he was 11 years old. |
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Post by alex on Jan 16, 2020 13:11:49 GMT -6
Attached is another picture of the same two haltered pairs with different handlers and a couple of other cows in the pasture. Also is a picture of Sir Cotterell photographed by Bustin who I think could be holding the two pairs in the first picture according to his dress attire and the bowler hat as compared to the other handlers. All three pictures were taken around the turn of the century.   |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Jan 18, 2020 21:38:33 GMT -6
1946 carload  |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Jan 18, 2020 21:55:42 GMT -6
H Royal Rupert  Silver Anxiety 2nd  |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Jan 18, 2020 21:58:16 GMT -6
Beau Mischief 1st  Real Silver Domino 44th, Record Price Bull  |
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Post by alex on Jan 20, 2020 8:43:19 GMT -6
 ROB ROY 24953, bred by W. Tudge, Kington, Herefordshire. Champion Bull at the 1908 Newcastle Show. |
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Post by alex on Jan 21, 2020 8:15:35 GMT -6
 SISTER PERILLA, calved in 1893. Prize winning Hereford heifer at the 1895 Taunton Meeting and 1896 St. Albans Meeting. Bred by R. Green, Kington, Herefordshire. |
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Post by alex on Jan 21, 2020 9:35:36 GMT -6
SISTER PERILLA, calved in 1893. Prize winning Hereford heifer at the 1895 Taunton Meeting and 1896 St. Albans Meeting. Bred by R. Green, Kington, Herefordshire.  This may be the same heifer “unretouched”. |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Feb 23, 2020 9:40:13 GMT -6
Hereford show?, Urbana, OH 1931  |
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