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Post by tartancowgirl on Sept 4, 2017 18:32:44 GMT -6
VERN ROBERT, from he 30's I believe. Not a good picture for an important bull. Really interesting - hadn't seen this picture before! |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Sept 5, 2017 12:35:13 GMT -6
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 3, 2017 6:14:09 GMT -6
Deewall bull. Pedigree? Year?  |
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Post by guffeygal on Nov 3, 2017 8:50:39 GMT -6
The Advancer 17239050. Franklin bought him from Charlie Higgins. He was by SH Advancer 241 and out of a HDR Real Onward 166 grandaughter. He bought a second 241 son from Charlie one or two years later Golden Advancer out of a Silver Mischief cow. Golden Advancer is in the pedigree of several of the cattle we have today. 241 was one of the thicker meatier Line 1 bulls we ever saw. |
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Post by guffeygal on Nov 3, 2017 8:53:23 GMT -6
The bull pictured was born in 1976. Golden Advancer in 1978.
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 3, 2017 9:45:34 GMT -6
The bull pictured was born in 1976. Golden Advancer in 1978. Were you the photographer Guffeygal? |
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Post by guffeygal on Nov 3, 2017 19:33:39 GMT -6
Yes I was. Where did you find that picture?
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 4, 2017 9:29:35 GMT -6
Yes I was. Where did you find that picture? Somewhere in the web, Facebook maybe, 2-3 years ago. When I saw the picture I remembered the same picture, or one very similar, was posted here in Hereford Talk and I saved it. |
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Post by alex on Oct 2, 2018 18:09:54 GMT -6
Mill Iron C182 son.  |
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Post by George on Oct 3, 2018 8:48:56 GMT -6
Mill Iron C182 son. When someone refers to the Herefords of the 50s/60s as "belt buckle cattle" Mill Iron C182 always comes to my mind. I noticed that he was the maternal grandsire of that Mischief bull that you first posted here. Mill Iron C182 sired cattle well into his second decade of life. I think this bull pictured was born when he was 12 years old. Though not HUGE, the C182s were growthy cattle of the right size. It is a shame that most of the pictures of his progeny are posed pictures where they are knee deep in straw. |
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Post by Glenn on Oct 3, 2018 9:15:17 GMT -6
SR L1 Command K336  |
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Post by alex on Oct 3, 2018 12:01:36 GMT -6
Mill Iron C182 son. When someone refers to the Herefords of the 50s/60s as "belt buckle cattle" Mill Iron C182 always comes to my mind. I noticed that he was the maternal grandsire of that Mischief bull that you first posted here. Mill Iron C182 sired cattle well into his second decade of life. I think this bull pictured was born when he was 12 years old. Though not HUGE, the C182s were growthy cattle of the right size. It is a shame that most of the pictures of his progeny are posed pictures where they are knee deep in straw. That particular Mr Mischief 740 bull ended up being on the cover of the July 1972 AHJ Herd Bull edition which I was lucky to locate on this forum. Any idea on the reasoning, marketing or thought process on why they made those “belt buckle” cattle looked that way during that time period? |
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Post by alex on Oct 3, 2018 12:06:31 GMT -6
Thought this was a neat Northern Pump marketing picture to share.  |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Oct 3, 2018 12:50:54 GMT -6
Thought this was a neat picture to share. Amazing the uniformity of the carload!!! Uniformity of type was the original purpose of the breeds. Uniformity of individual herds should be our objective today. No way to achieve it breeding with EPD's as a selection criterion. |
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Post by timbernt on Oct 3, 2018 13:28:58 GMT -6
Unfortunately, those cattle weren't any good then and still have no value.
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Post by alex on Oct 3, 2018 13:40:49 GMT -6
Unfortunately, those cattle weren't any good then and still have no value. Please excuse me for being new to Hereford breeding, but why are they not any good and of any value? |
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Post by timbernt on Oct 3, 2018 14:20:54 GMT -6
No growth. Steers finish at 1100, heifers under 1000.
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Post by strojanherefords on Oct 3, 2018 20:17:22 GMT -6
Unfortunately, those cattle weren't any good then and still have no value. Tim, This is one time that I have to disagree with you on this one. While I don't see much value in the bulls as they don't have enough growth, those little Hereford cows are worth their weight in gold. With the ubiquity of angus and angus composite bulls, there is no better cow to breed them to than a F1 Hereford cross cow. I firmly believe the future of the breed is in commercial females. |
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Post by guffeygal on Oct 4, 2018 5:45:46 GMT -6
Thought this was a neat picture to share. Amazing the uniformity of the carload!!! Uniformity of type was the original purpose of the breeds. Uniformity of individual herds should be our objective today. No way to achieve it breeding with EPD's as a selection criterion. Kenny Eppers looks young. I think he was Herdsman of The Year in 1972.He was a top notch guy. |
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Post by alex on Oct 4, 2018 10:26:19 GMT -6
Unfortunately, those cattle weren't any good then and still have no value. Tim, This is one time that I have to disagree with you on this one. While I don't see much value in the bulls as they don't have enough growth, those little Hereford cows are worth their weight in gold. With the ubiquity of angus and angus composite bulls, there is no better cow to breed them to than a F1 Hereford cross cow. I firmly believe the future of the breed is in commercial females. In the marshes and swamps of south Louisiana and other southeast coastal areas, these small to medium sized Braford type cattle tend to work well. If they get too big, they sink or tend to bog down.  |
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Post by Glenn on Oct 5, 2018 15:59:54 GMT -6
Some early Victor Dominos  |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Oct 5, 2018 16:31:59 GMT -6
Some early Victor Dominos Looks like a colored black and white picture. I have one of myself that same year. Is the second set of digits the polled registration number? Nice bulls, I like the one at the right. |
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Post by alex on Oct 6, 2018 13:45:01 GMT -6
I have seen some unfavorable comments about D4 line on this forum. What specifically are the issues/defects if any?  |
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Post by strojanherefords on Oct 6, 2018 21:55:34 GMT -6
I have seen some unfavorable comments about D4 line on this forum. What specifically are the issues/defects if any? A few years ago, while on the way up to see Ace, I drove by the old Descheemaeker ranch. The Herefords were replaced by black cattle. Just once I want to see Herefords replace the Angus cattle. |
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Post by randy on Oct 8, 2018 10:47:05 GMT -6
I have seen some unfavorable comments about D4 line on this forum. What specifically are the issues/defects if any? A few years ago, while on the way up to see Ace, I drove by the old Descheemaeker ranch. The Herefords were replaced by black cattle. Just once I want to see Herefords replace the Angus cattle. Alex.... I believe you question was just answered. D4 did more good for the Angus breed than any bull I can think of... NUFF SAID..... |
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