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Post by nicky on Mar 15, 2019 7:07:08 GMT -6
Noticed that several of my herd sires now have the MSUDF showing after their name... Guess they are testing the samples submitted earlier? And I presume you get a bill for that? |
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Post by kph on Mar 15, 2019 8:48:08 GMT -6
I don't think there is any cost for the 30000+ existing samples they ran, its just if you want to retest a sample that didn't show a marker. Most of my herd bulls were tested MSUDF as well. I'll be ordering a retest on a couple that didn't show up.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Mar 15, 2019 9:05:22 GMT -6
I don't think there is any cost for the 30000+ existing samples they ran, its just if you want to retest a sample that didn't show a marker. Most of my herd bulls were tested MSUDF as well. I'll be ordering a retest on a couple that didn't show up. Be interesting to see if you get the $18 deal on those, they wouldn't do it for me on the few old cows I have that have been tested before. I have to have the full test redone on those they said $42. |
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Post by kph on Mar 15, 2019 9:32:46 GMT -6
Were those the old microsatellite samples or were they just older snp's?
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Mar 15, 2019 9:47:27 GMT -6
They show as having both snp and microsatellite on herfnet
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Post by mrvictordomino on Mar 15, 2019 12:49:55 GMT -6
Noticed that several of my herd sires now have the MSUDF showing after their name... Guess they are testing the samples submitted earlier? And I presume you get a bill for that? No charges at this time as far as I know. I sure didn’t request any but glad to see it done and the results. |
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Post by nicky on Mar 16, 2019 8:52:09 GMT -6
So in looking at pedigrees on sale bulls, there doesn't seem to rhyme or reason on ones that have been tested or not tested,
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Mar 16, 2019 9:49:35 GMT -6
Were those the old microsatellite samples or were they just older snp's? Doing a little general research on google for snp and microsatellite, it looks like early on they tried combining the two to get better results, apparently not very accurate? so it looks like if you tested during that time you will have to retest. |
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 9:55:18 GMT -6
As usual the Association is being vague and quite and not helpful at all. I think there was a "notch" in there when the test was "good", then here in the last few years the test DID NOT include the MSUD. I thing the "frees" you are seeing is from them going back and listing the results from that "notch" time period. JMO, it could easily be cleared up IF the association would put out a clear, concise explanation but I don't expect that. I just expect more silence and obfuscation from them. Problem is this is going to bite some people in the ASS and the problem is its gonna be the "little guys" getting their ass bit while the "biggies" unload their shit. They KNOW where the bodies are buried.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Mar 16, 2019 10:19:25 GMT -6
Yep, just the Shaw stock that's been sold to other breeders gonna make a real mess for some. Looking through the list at some of the less to me recognizable pedigrees of carriers Titan7777 shows up back there on quite a few of them, is it the same Largent that looks like they have big problems that owned Titan7777 back in the day.
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Post by timbernt on Mar 16, 2019 12:18:23 GMT -6
Glenn, what gives you the right to think for yourself?
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Post by bltherf on Mar 16, 2019 12:26:21 GMT -6
Glenn, what gives you the right to think for yourself? Question for those who have studied this issue a lo more than me Is MSUD originated from only polled pedigrees? Any in straight horned pedigrees? , or just in horned cattle with polled influence? And I don’t classify 7777 as strictly horned |
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 12:34:34 GMT -6
Glenn, what gives you the right to think for yourself? Personality Flaw...... |
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 12:38:06 GMT -6
Glenn, what gives you the right to think for yourself? Question for those who have studied this issue a lo more than me Is MSUD originated from only polled pedigrees? Any in straight horned pedigrees? , or just in horned cattle with polled influence? And I don’t classify 7777 as strictly horned With the small amount of information available at this point it would be almost impossible to rule out "straight horned Herefords" as carriers but anyone with a 3rd grade education can see where the biggest problem is at and will be going forward. |
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 12:41:10 GMT -6
This is PURE SPECULATION on my part but I imagine this whole deal is going to open up a can of worms on pedigree errors. I feel like (again ONLY MY OPINION) that there is going to be a lot of resistance from certain breeders on REtesting older animals for this reason. Luckily it seems like this test will be done on all NEW DNA samples going forward.
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Post by kph on Mar 16, 2019 14:03:18 GMT -6
Glenn, what gives you the right to think for yourself? Question for those who have studied this issue a lo more than me Is MSUD originated from only polled pedigrees? Any in straight horned pedigrees? , or just in horned cattle with polled influence? And I don’t classify 7777 as strictly horned Someone more up on horned pedigrees than me can run these random numbers of some of the horned cattle on the list and see where the polled influence is, I don't see any. Also, I'd be interested to know the polled influence behind 7777. That far back it gets kind of hard to tell for sure whats horned or polled. 42702254 43543844 43565330 43573289 43635185 |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Mar 16, 2019 14:05:36 GMT -6
Getting a little tiresome ya'll trying to pawn all the problems off on the polled breeders, wouldn't even be a Polled Hereford if it wasn't for the lying no count horned breeders, no doubt the root of some of todays problems. Titan's now a polled problem, funny!
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Post by timbernt on Mar 16, 2019 14:14:05 GMT -6
Yes, and some big name breeders with all kinds of AHA credentials created the Titan mess. There were a lot of small breeders who refused to go along with it. Just like now.
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 14:15:21 GMT -6
Getting a little tiresome ya'll trying to pawn all the problems off on the polled breeders, wouldn't even be a Polled Hereford if it wasn't for the lying no count horned breeders, no doubt the root of some of todays problems. Titan's now a polled problem, funny! It is what it is.....apparently the Polled cattle will be affected to a MUCH larger degree than any Horned Cattle......Like it or not, that's the facts...... |
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 14:17:13 GMT -6
I don't think many Horned breeders are using the mini genetics today but that 3152 is interesting and I would be interested to see some more animals in that pedigree MSUD and parentage tested....but you will note, I said it impossible to say at this point...instead of fighting each other use that energy to press the Association for some Help and Answers.....
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Post by Glenn on Mar 16, 2019 14:21:28 GMT -6
In fact since I own an animal in the pedigree, I will contact the Association on Monday about getting a straw of semen sent to Geneseek on him.
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Post by bltherf on Mar 16, 2019 14:22:57 GMT -6
Question for those who have studied this issue a lo more than me Is MSUD originated from only polled pedigrees? Any in straight horned pedigrees? , or just in horned cattle with polled influence? And I don’t classify 7777 as strictly horned Someone more up on horned pedigrees than me can run these random numbers of some of the horned cattle on the list and see where the polled influence is, I don't see any. Also, I'd be interested to know the polled influence behind 7777. That far back it gets kind of hard to tell for sure whats horned or polled. 42702254 43543844 43565330 43573289 43635185 The problems that came along with 7777 had nothing to do with polled influence , which I believe there was none |
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Post by timbernt on Mar 16, 2019 15:38:03 GMT -6
As far as how it entered the Hereford breed, my opinion is the Shorthorn infusion in the polls in the southeast US in the 60s and 70s. That is why it follows the pattern it does.
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Post by randy on Mar 16, 2019 17:05:53 GMT -6
Yep, just the Shaw stock that's been sold to other breeders gonna make a real mess for some. Looking through the list at some of the less to me recognizable pedigrees of carriers Titan7777 shows up back there on quite a few of them, is it the same Largent that looks like they have big problems that owned Titan7777 back in the day. Answering your question as far as S Titan 7777. No it is not the same Largent. David Largent and family are L3 Texas then Montana and now Wyoming..... The cattle in question are of Roy or Rust Largent in Texas... Which happen all to be family. Largents In Texas have had both Herefords and Mini Herefords... Ok... For those of you that maybe were not around back then... There are multiple Links to Titan 23D sire of 7777 and many others that were used in the breed.. Those Titan cattle link to a huge number of cattle and some of the most popular cattle today. |
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Post by larso on Mar 16, 2019 17:15:46 GMT -6
As far as how it entered the Hereford breed, my opinion is the Shorthorn infusion in the polls in the southeast US in the 60s and 70s. That is why it follows the pattern it does. That is definitely the way science is pointing and as far as laying most of the blame on the pollies unfortunately most of the bastardisation of the breed in recent times and I’m a poll breeder has come from poll Herefords. This is just the tip of the iceberg but then it’s Sunday morning here and it’s a day to forget about all the problems of this world. |
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