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Apr 30, 2015 5:38:02 GMT -6
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Post by Sudsy on Apr 30, 2015 5:38:02 GMT -6
I've been waiting for someone like Sudsy to suggest thinking outside the box. CEO of Mars Candy; sounds like an excellent choice. The AHA needs to hire John Meyer CEO of Holstein USA. Just look at the things Holstein USA has accomplished since he became CEO. Please don't suggest he is out of our price range. When you pay peanuts all you ever hire is monkeys! "Extremism to protect liberty is no vice."
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Apr 30, 2015 5:58:07 GMT -6
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Post by Sudsy on Apr 30, 2015 5:58:07 GMT -6
Thinly veiled sarcasm,Old Duffer. I was just simply indicating the case in Australia. Various people have indicated a possible need for improved marketing skills for the breed as a whole. Obviously the board over here were of the opinion marketing needed to be addressed and acted accordingly. The cattle knowledge/expertise is provided by the board. A CEO works for and on behalf of the board and answers to the board, he/she does not lead from the front. In future, I would appreciate you abstaining from passing comment on any and all my posts. In closing please allow me to state the following, 'Manners are a virtue.'
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Post by George on Apr 30, 2015 11:23:50 GMT -6
Sudsy, I didn't take Old Duffer's comment as sarcasm. But what do I know?
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Post by oldduffer on May 8, 2015 15:20:16 GMT -6
George: Please let Sudsy know there was a breakdown in communication somewhere between my post and his reply. I read my post several times after Sudsy's post and I am not sure where I screwed up. I have the greatest respect for people/associations that think out of the box. They are the Henry Fords who developed a moving production line to build cars more efficiently, Thomas Edison who "knew" he could make a light bulb, or the crew at Iowa State University who produced the first binary computer. Very few think outside the box! Quite often they make a BIG impact. A close friend of mine served as President of Holstein USA and we have visited a number of times about John Meyer's incredible job of helping the Board grow the association. They still have the World Dairy Expo in Madison WI [and other shows] where the breeds freaks compete; but a major focus has been to provide services to the real dairy industry....to add value to the Holstein breed. I honestly believe he would be a GREAT asset to the American Hereford Association! Perhaps it was the pay comment? Over the past 45 years I have observed many employees private and public and do believe that for the most part you get what you pay for. Thanks in advance for your assistance George!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 15:33:10 GMT -6
Thomas Edison who "knew" he could make a light bulb, or the crew at Iowa State University who produced the first binary computer. Very few think outside the box! Quite often they make a BIG impact. I had to give you a like just for that right there. Got my degree there and one of the things that was taught in my freshman computer classes was about John Atanasoff. The story is quite amazing and while ISU could probably be the wealthiest university in the country had they submitted the patent application for the computer I don't think you would have seen the technology we have today if they had because it would have really limited people to be able to use some of the same concepts to develop their own technology. If anyone is interested in the story here is a good link: jva.cs.iastate.edu/
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May 9, 2015 6:07:55 GMT -6
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Post by Sudsy on May 9, 2015 6:07:55 GMT -6
George: Please let Sudsy know there was a breakdown in communication somewhere between my post and his reply. I read my post several times after Sudsy's post and I am not sure where I screwed up. I have the greatest respect for people/associations that think out of the box. They are the Henry Fords who developed a moving production line to build cars more efficiently, Thomas Edison who "knew" he could make a light bulb, or the crew at Iowa State University who produced the first binary computer. Very few think outside the box! Quite often they make a BIG impact. A close friend of mine served as President of Holstein USA and we have visited a number of times about John Meyer's incredible job of helping the Board grow the association. They still have the World Dairy Expo in Madison WI [and other shows] where the breeds freaks compete; but a major focus has been to provide services to the real dairy industry....to add value to the Holstein breed. I honestly believe he would be a GREAT asset to the American Hereford Association! Perhaps it was the pay comment? Over the past 45 years I have observed many employees private and public and do believe that for the most part you get what you pay for. Thanks in advance for your assistance George!
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May 9, 2015 6:16:52 GMT -6
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Post by Sudsy on May 9, 2015 6:16:52 GMT -6
Old Duffer, if I have misunderstood your post, and from your comments it would appear as if I have, I apologise unreservedly and wholeheartedly.
Please accept my sincere apologies.
It could possibly be put down to the vagaries/differences in our respective cultures, however that is no excuse. In closing, I hope you accept this apology in the manner in which it is extended.
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Post by jjbcattleco on May 18, 2015 9:54:51 GMT -6
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Post by George on May 18, 2015 10:40:29 GMT -6
Well, I will be the first here to express surprise! I really thought some of the breed's largest breeders would successfully lobby against his selection. As my poor demented mother-in-law loves to say, "It is what it is!" So I wish Jack Ward well! As I prepare for the frustration in seeing "newer and more improved" EPDs being crammed down the members' and the buying public's throats as the cure-all tonic that will fix every ailment known to man!
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Post by oldduffer on May 18, 2015 10:55:00 GMT -6
Alea iacta est. Julius Caesar
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 11:12:37 GMT -6
Despite some of the negativity of some here regarding Jack I think he will do a great job. When Huffhines first took the job there were a lot of people skeptical of him too and I'm guessing no matter who was named EVP there would still have been people that did not agree with the choice so I hope everyone can at least keep an open mind and wait to see how Jack does before passing judgment. Most of the negativity seems to be speculative in nature, let's look back in a few years to see what happens before predicting the unknown.
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Post by Glenn on May 18, 2015 11:36:03 GMT -6
I'm going to give Ward the benefit of the doubt. I'm like George, in that anyone who got it was going to be more "EPD oriented" than I prefer anyways. The few brief emails that I've had with him (Jack Ward) have been cordial and he's always answered my questions. I hope he does a great job.
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May 18, 2015 13:32:41 GMT -6
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Post by talin on May 18, 2015 13:32:41 GMT -6
Glenn I agree I don't know him but everytime I have spoken to him he was helpfuL..
He seems sharp, well spoken, and forward thinking he should do an excellent job. Craig did a good job of leading by example he always had the friendly helpful personality that became the institutional DNA. I hope Jack can continue to promote the same culture.
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Post by mehf on May 18, 2015 14:57:50 GMT -6
Well, the news is out about the AHA's new EVP. And, in my opinion, it is truly sad news for us dedicated Hereford people. But as George and Glenn (and others ...) have noted above, let one and all give him a chance. However, I raise these questions; is he (and his kin as well ...) going to liquidate his angus holdings and is his wife going to leave her position at the aaa? I hope the AHA Board placed these requirements on him for his immediate action and response.
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Post by strojanherefords on May 18, 2015 18:02:21 GMT -6
I don't much care whether Mr. Ward has an Angus background. But it bothers me that the Hereford breed is becoming more like the Angus breed rather than pursuing our own role in the beef industry. Again, I would like to see Mr. Ward or any member of the board participate on Herefordtalk.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 7:15:48 GMT -6
Well, the news is out about the AHA's new EVP. And, in my opinion, it is truly sad news for us dedicated Hereford people. But as George and Glenn (and others ...) have noted above, let one and all give him a chance. However, I raise these questions; is he (and his kin as well ...) going to liquidate his angus holdings and is his wife going to leave her position at the aaa? I hope the AHA Board placed these requirements on him for his immediate action and response.
How does what his wife does have any influence and impact on how he does his job? Is she not allowed to have interests and a career of her own too? I just don't see other than someone splitting hairs over he works for Herefords and she works for Angus how that has any impact on how either are going to go about their responsibilities. I think that one is a bit of a stretch to expect to happen. I'm not even sure exactly what she does for them, I tried searching the AAA site and Google and the most I found was something about ultrasound. I can see why people would prefer they liquidate their angus and I can see valid reasons behind that but I would not be surprised if he's not required to do that. Pretty sure there are other breed EVP's out there with cattle other than the breed they represent too whether their name is directly attached to it or not. That part doesn't bother me much either, Jack has been with AHA since 2003 and if there were any questions on where his loyalty lies I'm pretty sure the board would not have chosen him for the job. We talk about marketing to commercial breeders here all the time and part of that you have to have an open mind on what everyone else is raising too right?
I think a new hot topic here that probably would be more relevant to some of the issues being discussed is who will be the next Director of Breed Improvement? What are we looking for in a person to fill that position?
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Post by mehf on May 19, 2015 7:57:20 GMT -6
SPH, I have serious questions about his loyalty to the Hereford Breed and about his dedication to the success and contiuing market improvement of the Hereford Breed. Well, the news is out about the AHA's new EVP. And, in my opinion, it is truly sad news for us dedicated Hereford people. But as George and Glenn (and others ...) have noted above, let one and all give him a chance. However, I raise these questions; is he (and his kin as well ...) going to liquidate his angus holdings and is his wife going to leave her position at the aaa? I hope the AHA Board placed these requirements on him for his immediate action and response.
How does what his wife does have any influence and impact on how he does his job? Is she not allowed to have interests and a career of her own too? I just don't see other than someone splitting hairs over he works for Herefords and she works for Angus how that has any impact on how either are going to go about their responsibilities. I think that one is a bit of a stretch to expect to happen. I'm not even sure exactly what she does for them, I tried searching the AAA site and Google and the most I found was something about ultrasound. I can see why people would prefer they liquidate their angus and I can see valid reasons behind that but I would not be surprised if he's not required to do that. Pretty sure there are other breed EVP's out there with cattle other than the breed they represent too whether their name is directly attached to it or not. That part doesn't bother me much either, Jack has been with AHA since 2003 and if there were any questions on where his loyalty lies I'm pretty sure the board would not have chosen him for the job. We talk about marketing to commercial breeders here all the time and part of that you have to have an open mind on what everyone else is raising too right?
I think a new hot topic here that probably would be more relevant to some of the issues being discussed is who will be the next Director of Breed Improvement? What are we looking for in a person to fill that position?
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Post by mehf on May 19, 2015 7:58:34 GMT -6
Well, the news is out about the AHA's new EVP. And, in my opinion, it is truly sad news for us dedicated Hereford people. But as George and Glenn (and others ...) have noted above, let one and all give him a chance. However, I raise these questions; is he (and his kin as well ...) going to liquidate his angus holdings and is his wife going to leave her position at the aaa? I hope the AHA Board placed these requirements on him for his immediate action and response.
How does what his wife does have any influence and impact on how he does his job? Is she not allowed to have interests and a career of her own too? I just don't see other than someone splitting hairs over he works for Herefords and she works for Angus how that has any impact on how either are going to go about their responsibilities. I think that one is a bit of a stretch to expect to happen. I'm not even sure exactly what she does for them, I tried searching the AAA site and Google and the most I found was something about ultrasound. I can see why people would prefer they liquidate their angus and I can see valid reasons behind that but I would not be surprised if he's not required to do that. Pretty sure there are other breed EVP's out there with cattle other than the breed they represent too whether their name is directly attached to it or not. That part doesn't bother me much either, Jack has been with AHA since 2003 and if there were any questions on where his loyalty lies I'm pretty sure the board would not have chosen him for the job. We talk about marketing to commercial breeders here all the time and part of that you have to have an open mind on what everyone else is raising too right?
I think a new hot topic here that probably would be more relevant to some of the issues being discussed is who will be the next Director of Breed Improvement? What are we looking for in a person to fill that position?
Hope the individual is not another angus person!
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Post by kent on May 21, 2015 12:00:17 GMT -6
EPD centric is the way it is. Just another era like that of the freaks and dwarfs then the tall trash and pampered cripples before them. I am a black sheep in the black breed in that respect. This too shall pass. It has been 40 years coming. I really enjoy reading the writings of the pioneering performance people. It is mostly about the importance of the cow. That is where I reside. Somewhere along the way that changed. Maternal is now just a byproduct. A bull no longer considered high enough in growth is now a maternal bull. We have defied antagonisms (on paper). We can have it all (on paper). In reality we have extremely high culling rates (as an industry). We have extremely high variation and inconsistency (as an industry). It really is an alternate reality that refuses to see the problems that are right there in front of them. Thank goodness I am still allowed to opt out and just breed good cattle. Consistent, reliable, trouble free cattle that make ranching a pleasure.
This is about the most disturbing thing I have read in some time.: "Well, the news is out about the AHA's new EVP. And, in my opinion, it is truly sad news for us dedicated Hereford people. But as George and Glenn (and others ...) have noted above, let one and all give him a chance. However, I raise these questions; is he (and his kin as well ...) going to liquidate his angus holdings and is his wife going to leave her position at the aaa? I hope the AHA Board placed these requirements on him for his immediate action and response."
Experience has shown me that inbreeding in an organization is much more dangerous than anything most predict about inbreeding cattle.
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Post by Glenn on May 21, 2015 13:25:26 GMT -6
Kent, are you not registering your Angus anymore?
I don't know what the right answer is on the breed associations.
Had a big post typed up, but just rambling, and it boils down to above: "I don't know what the right answer is"
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Post by kent on May 21, 2015 14:07:02 GMT -6
I register a few.
It is just a pedigree file cabinet for me. What the AAA did to make it easy to sell Angus bulls is great, but I am sure not a fan of what it did to the breed. Popularity isn't all good.
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