Hathcock x Brookview Calves

[jhambley]

These young calves (5-8 weeks old) are the result of crossing Hathcock and Brookview genetics. They were all sired by the Hathcock Hodge bull.

Group Shot


17W heifer


19W bull


18W bull


15W heifer in rear, 18W bull in front


17W heifer in front, 18W bull in front


18W bull on left, 19W bull on right, 15W heifer in background

[George]

Good looking deep bodied calves, Jerry!

George

[Glenn]

Nice soggy calves.

How old are the Brookview cows?

What are they bred to now?

What are your future plans for them?

[jhambley]

How old are the Brookview cows?

Youngest is 7, oldest is 10 years old

What are they bred to now?

They are or will be bred to Mr Hathcock's Hodge bull. I have retained two bulls from past matings with my Deewall bull.

What are your future plans for them?

Try to get as many calves out of them as I can Keep the best sons and daughters and continue from there.

[col1domino]

That 18 calf is a meat wagon, his muscle ripples.

[rockmillsfarm]

Nov 16, 2010 13:02:15 GMT -6 @col1domino said:

That 18 calf is a meat wagon, his muscle ripples.

That's a scuff mark from being bedded down ;D

[George]

Jerry, I might have already asked you this, but are there any more of those Brookview cows where you got those?

And how did you locate them?

George

[jhambley]

are there any more of those Brookview cows where you got those?

I found my first two Brookview cows by accident. A gentleman that knew I was looking for old style Hereford genetics told me he had two Brookview cows he had purchased from Mr. Largent's nephew. He was selling off all his cattle and hated to see these two go to the sale barn. So I made a road trip to El Paso and purchased his two cows. One I could never settle and was culled. The other raised a great first calf.

Since I was so happy with that one cow, I started searching for more Brookviews. I used the online database to find any Brookview cattle that might still be alive. Most showed they were owned by Mr Largent.

Mr. Largent went shopping for foundational stock to build his miniature Hereford herd. Since he was planning to intensely breed to reduce size, he needed clean genetics (linebred, dwarf-free). One of the herds he purchased from was Brookview Farms. If you see a miniature with Kentucky in the name, it traces back to those original Brookview cows purchased from Mr. Gay in Paris Kentucky. Mr Largent only purchased one bull from Mr Gay that I know of. He was a 1988 model.

Once he was done with the cows, he sold them to one of his relatives to be used in a commercial herd. Some of those cattle ended up at the commercial ranch I purchased from but most went to the sale barn in a dispersal.

The ranch I purchased from in New Mexico might have a few more out on the 27,000 acre ranch but we searched for four days to find the ones I selected from. The few I left behind had major problems (structural, broken down udders, etc). I was able to purchase eight cows. I've culled one from that group leaving a total of eight cows in my herd.

I spoke to Mr Gay's grandson. He told me the original Brookview herd was managed by a Bank Trustee after Mr Gay's death. The Trustee decided the smart thing to do was to breed the registered cows to large framed Angus bulls. It was a train wreck that ended in the destruction of the registered herd. Since there never was a Brookview dispersal sale, only those cows sold private treated before Mr Gay's death survived. Brookview Farms now raises Devon cattle.

Another small group went up to Washington state but they were crossed with other commercial cattle a decade ago.

Sorry to be so long winded...I hope this answers your question.

Jerry

[George]

Not long winded! That was what I wanted to know.

I'm amazed that there is still any of these old genetics left that are intact, especially after the AHA seemed to do everything in their power to discourage anyone whose cattle weren't in the mainstream to just drop registering them.

Their annual service fee, regardless of a lifetime membership, and the whole herd TPR reporting program was the reason that my neighbor stopped registering cattle a few years ago and started buying Angus bulls. He had the bulk of what was left of my father's herd.

George

[hoekland]

Nov 17, 2010 9:52:06 GMT -6 George said:

Not long winded! That was what I wanted to know.

I'm amazed that there is still any of these old genetics left that are intact, especially after the AHA seemed to do everything in their power to discourage anyone whose cattle weren't in the mainstream to just drop registering them.

Their annual service fee, regardless of a lifetime membership, and the whole herd TPR reporting program was the reason that my neighbor stopped registering cattle a few years ago and started buying Angus bulls. He had the bulk of what was left of my father's herd.

George

Isn't there any left that is still registrable that you can buy back even if its just for sentiment's sake?

[George]

Nov 17, 2010 10:14:03 GMT -6 hoekland said:

Isn't there any left that is still registrable that you can buy back even if its just for sentiment's sake?

At this point they are all black hided, Harley. There was that opportunity when I first got back into cattle, in 2002- but he had bred everything to "frame race" Hereford bulls since about 1990 and they all traced back to Tex Prime Time. I decided the sentiment value wasn't really there.

George

[Glenn]

A lot of my cows are "infected" with Tex Prime Time. Most at least 6 or more generations back so I have decided for now to live with it. At some point I may be able to make culling decisions based on this information but I am not at that number of cows now.

[George]

Nov 17, 2010 11:48:33 GMT -6 Glenn said:

A lot of my cows are "infected" with Tex Prime Time. Most at least 6 or more generations back so I have decided for now to live with it. At some point I may be able to make culling decisions based on this information but I am not at that number of cows now.

It really seems silly now that I'm considering turning some of mine black. It's been an evolution of thought and goals. The path I had in mind when starting out in 2002 isn't going to be where I'm going to end up. Although my granddaughter has recently expressed some interest in showing cattle, so I guess some will still be aimed for that "show cattle herd that will also perform in the real world" goal I once had.

If I owned those cattle, I sure wouldn't worry much about it. It's for sure Star Lake and a lot of these other breeders aren't. That was clearly demonstrated with the way the K&B cattle sold and where they went. Most people who've got into the Hereford business since 2000 don't even know what's back there past the 3 generations on their registration papers anyway.

George