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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 17, 2020 19:26:54 GMT -6
So, why is the AHA pushing AI so hard?
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 17, 2020 20:10:50 GMT -6
They make $15 on AI cert.
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Post by timbernt on Dec 17, 2020 21:20:19 GMT -6
For you old people, the TV show "Father Knows Best" says it all. Academicians, AHA leaders, ag journalists, and the show world pimps all promote using the hottest new bull taking every one in the same direction. Unfortunately it is usually the wrong direction.
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Dec 18, 2020 12:51:00 GMT -6
For you old people, the TV show "Father Knows Best" says it all. Academicians, AHA leaders, ag journalists, and the show world pimps all promote using the hottest new bull taking every one in the same direction. Unfortunately it is usually the wrong direction. ...and the main reason why breed "purity" has deteriorated so much and so quick.  |
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Post by perli on Dec 18, 2020 22:36:58 GMT -6
How else do other people’s bulls get enough data turned in to get proven? And you get to pay for it??
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Post by cflory on Dec 19, 2020 13:58:14 GMT -6
I’m AIing 21 out of 25 of my fall cows, should be done this weekend. Of course 215z is the only one most people would even recognize. D advance 182 and FPH Trojan 631 probably don’t make a lot of breeders list.
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Dec 22, 2020 11:45:00 GMT -6
I agree, natural service is better than what AI has devolved to. I believe that across the board in all breeds the concept of AI breeding to the latest and greatest bull of the month has been far more detrimental than beneficial. If it were used just as a source to bring in out cross genetics to a herd where that is valued and then to use proven older bulls the results may be ok long term. The larger breeders that get bulls in the AI studs and the AI companies themselves have figured out how to market the use of AI by convincing cattle breeders that somebody else has better animals. It’s a win win for those companies and a select few breeders, at the long term expense of other cattlemen.
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Post by jjbcattleco on Dec 22, 2020 17:15:29 GMT -6
I'd say sale price pushes it more than anything. When you watch really good animals sell for less than really common AI sired animals the decision get's made pretty quickly.
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Post by soherf on Dec 28, 2020 8:59:12 GMT -6
People get to spend their money where they want. If you don't like AI don't buy semen, if you do want to use outside bulls for any of a myriad of reasons then get after it. Do what you want with your cattle.
Cattle are worth what someone will pay you for them. If the buyer wants a fancy name AI sire then that's what they will buy, either from you or the next breeder. These are products and at some point you'll have to consider the demands of your customer base.
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Post by timbernt on Dec 29, 2020 6:14:15 GMT -6
Yes, we all seem totally free to pursue whatever we we choose in life, society, and the Hereford breed. As something of a libertarian and maybe a little of a contrarian I value the freedom. Even with that said, it troubles me to see the confusion in markings, horn status, and phenotype in each of the breed magazines. More true than ever is the expression "if you don't stand for anything, you will fall for everything".
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Dec 29, 2020 10:59:45 GMT -6
Yes, we all seem totally free to pursue whatever we we choose in life, society, and the Hereford breed. As something of a libertarian and maybe a little of a contrarian I value the freedom. Even with that said, it troubles me to see the confusion in markings, horn status, and phenotype in each of the breed magazines. More true than ever is the expression "if you don't stand for anything, you will fall for everything". Well stated, I have similar views on the subject of breeding cattle, however have those reservations as well. I have stated before that we have mainly commercial cattle but do have some registered individuals and some purebred but unregistered ones as well. With just a small number of bulls used it seems we have run the course of questionable breed characteristics from unusual white areas, somewhat diluted coloring, and horned calves from a bull supposed to have been of all polled breeding. |
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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 29, 2020 22:27:39 GMT -6
People get to spend their money where they want. If you don't like AI don't buy semen, if you do want to use outside bulls for any of a myriad of reasons then get after it. Do what you want with your cattle. Cattle are worth what someone will pay you for them. If the buyer wants a fancy name AI sire then that's what they will buy, either from you or the next breeder. These are products and at some point you'll have to consider the demands of your customer base. You have missed the point. It isn’t about what our customers want, it is about the AHA tipping the scales against us. We, the membership of the AHA, are in the business of selling bulls. Our competition are the semen companies and it frustrates me that the board allows the AHA to favor those who are working against us. |
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Post by soherf on Jan 2, 2021 7:19:23 GMT -6
People get to spend their money where they want. If you don't like AI don't buy semen, if you do want to use outside bulls for any of a myriad of reasons then get after it. Do what you want with your cattle. Cattle are worth what someone will pay you for them. If the buyer wants a fancy name AI sire then that's what they will buy, either from you or the next breeder. These are products and at some point you'll have to consider the demands of your customer base. You have missed the point. It isn’t about what our customers want, it is about the AHA tipping the scales against us. We, the membership of the AHA, are in the business of selling bulls. Our competition are the semen companies and it frustrates me that the board allows the AHA to favor those who are working against us. Then lobby just as hard as the semen companies. Get on the board. Be the change you want to see. |
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Jan 2, 2021 11:42:06 GMT -6
You have missed the point. It isn’t about what our customers want, it is about the AHA tipping the scales against us. We, the membership of the AHA, are in the business of selling bulls. Our competition are the semen companies and it frustrates me that the board allows the AHA to favor those who are working against us. Then lobby just as hard as the semen companies. Get on the board. Be the change you want to see. It isn't that simple. High flyers and companies have more money to spend and therefore have much more influence than the average rank and file breeders. |
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Post by strojanherefords on Jan 6, 2021 11:08:52 GMT -6
You have missed the point. It isn’t about what our customers want, it is about the AHA tipping the scales against us. We, the membership of the AHA, are in the business of selling bulls. Our competition are the semen companies and it frustrates me that the board allows the AHA to favor those who are working against us. Then lobby just as hard as the semen companies. Get on the board. Be the change you want to see. If nominated and selected, I will gladly serve on the board. I feel confident in saying that no one has shaken more hands and made more phone calls than I have. |
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Post by soherf on Jan 7, 2021 10:38:14 GMT -6
Then lobby just as hard as the semen companies. Get on the board. Be the change you want to see. If nominated and selected, I will gladly serve on the board. I feel confident in saying that no one has shaken more hands and made more phone calls than I have. There should be enough AHA members here to nominate you. |
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