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Post by rockmillsherefords on Nov 11, 2019 21:30:17 GMT -6
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 12, 2019 6:02:28 GMT -6
The right amount for us. Very nice calf!
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Post by allenw on Nov 12, 2019 7:54:03 GMT -6
It might be a touch more then I would prefer but not a reason to cull. It's part of the breed identity and no reason to hide it.
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Post by oldduffer on Nov 13, 2019 11:31:44 GMT -6
Real Herefords have white. Red Angus cross cattle have MUCH less!
"Let's make Herefords GREAT again!!!!!!!!!!"
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Post by allenw on Nov 13, 2019 13:07:29 GMT -6
Tails have been my hangup on some Herefords lately. My memory says Herfords had a nice long tail with a full bushy switch on the end and Angus could be a bit short in the tail and sparse when it came to the switch. I know tails can be stepped on or other wise damaged but there seem to be Angus tails hanging on more then a few Herefords.
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 13, 2019 14:33:15 GMT -6
Tails have been my hangup on some Herefords lately. My memory says Herfords had a nice long tail with a full bushy switch on the end and Angus could be a bit short in the tail and sparse when it came to the switch. I know tails can be stepped on or other wise damaged but there seem to be Angus tails hanging on more then a few Herefords. I assume that short tails in Hereford are a sign of breed impurity, from crosses to Fleckvieh or Simmental. Therefore, since pedigrees are not what they were supposed to be, I pay much attention when buying or selecting, to the length of tail, ears and markings. I posted this picture several years ago showing a Fleckvieh bull from 1980, Grand Champion at the Palermo Show.  |
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Post by strojanherefords on Nov 14, 2019 21:40:40 GMT -6
It is very unfortunate that we are forced to rely on rumor and supposition to guess about what is or isn't Hereford.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Nov 18, 2019 15:54:49 GMT -6
The white doesn't bother me, her high tail set might get her a ride to town though.
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Post by cflory on Nov 19, 2019 6:03:30 GMT -6
What do you look for in a tailhead position? I only ask because I have been paying closer attention to it the last few years. Haven't culled one for high or low but have both extremes, maybe not super high but a mother and daughter that slope pretty good. I have read a slope helps with calving. I personally dont like the downward slope but think its because I was brought up with the level to high set being "the look" everyone was going for.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Nov 25, 2019 22:28:01 GMT -6
What do you look for in a tailhead position? I only ask because I have been paying closer attention to it the last few years. Haven't culled one for high or low but have both extremes, maybe not super high but a mother and daughter that slope pretty good. I have read a slope helps with calving. I personally dont like the downward slope but think its because I was brought up with the level to high set being "the look" everyone was going for. I believe the slope from hooks to pins is a separate issue to the tailhead. I want a little slope, but too much slope and they seem to lose muscle mass off the top of the rump, makes them drop off to quick. I don't believe they travel as well with level hooks to pins, changes the hip structure some so they're not as free moving. I don't know if a high tail set does anything more than look ugly to me, just a normal level tail head fine by me. I've not seen any differences in performance in mine, maybe has some influence on the rectal tract? mine don't have any problems pooping. i don't like the look and have a couple already and really don't want anymore, kept the others because I need more cows, still need more cows, got to draw the line somewhere though. |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 26, 2019 8:24:17 GMT -6
What do you look for in a tailhead position? I only ask because I have been paying closer attention to it the last few years. Haven't culled one for high or low but have both extremes, maybe not super high but a mother and daughter that slope pretty good. I have read a slope helps with calving. I personally dont like the downward slope but think its because I was brought up with the level to high set being "the look" everyone was going for. Tailhead position was considered to be quite important by judges and steer buyers prior to the 60's, at least in Argentina. Enclosed is a picture of what was considered a good tail insertion. g  |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 30, 2019 9:11:09 GMT -6
Local lore says that grass fed steers with too much white grow better and are heavier. And some respected breeders are of the same opinion.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 1, 2019 18:13:58 GMT -6
Local lore says that grass fed steers with too much white grow better and are heavier. And some respected breeders are of the same opinion. Gonna see if that works on weaning weight on milk and grass here in a couple days or so. Took this pic a little over a month ago.  |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Dec 1, 2019 19:21:54 GMT -6
Local lore says that grass fed steers with too much white grow better and are heavier. And some respected breeders are of the same opinion. Gonna see if that works on weaning weight on milk and grass here in a couple days or so. Took this pic a little over a month ago. Too much white around here would be something like this (Dornley Gaymaid):  |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 1, 2019 20:46:14 GMT -6
That would be too much here to, a good cow I could probably live with it.
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Post by allenw on Dec 2, 2019 9:17:55 GMT -6
I remember a breeder having some Herefords a number of years ago with a lot of white. I seen some of their bulls a lot of white up their legs and sides, much like the cow pictured above.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 16, 2019 15:59:34 GMT -6
I remember a breeder having some Herefords a number of years ago with a lot of white. I seen some of their bulls a lot of white up their legs and sides, much like the cow pictured above. Interesting, you don't remember who they were. |
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Post by allenw on Dec 16, 2019 18:59:02 GMT -6
If I remember right their name was Gleason, i remember them having a couple of bull sales and doing some advertising then never heard much about them. That would have been mid to late eighties, they were around Putnam, OK.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 17, 2019 12:31:57 GMT -6
If I remember right their name was Gleason, i remember them having a couple of bull sales and doing some advertising then never heard much about them. That would have been mid to late eighties, they were around Putnam, OK. Thanks, looks like they were "Square G Ranch" Thought they might have been breeding some old lines but it doesn't look like it. |
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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 18, 2019 19:10:55 GMT -6
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 19, 2019 11:20:13 GMT -6
So did you have anymore Haven Wizard calves. |
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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 19, 2019 22:39:02 GMT -6
So did you have anymore Haven Wizard calves. This year I got three heifers and a bull out of Wizard. Two weeks ago, I bred seven cows to him. The smaller cows need a bull to add some size in order to have a marketable calf. Wizard does the job. Attachments:
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Post by allenw on Dec 20, 2019 7:38:30 GMT -6
If I remember right their name was Gleason, i remember them having a couple of bull sales and doing some advertising then never heard much about them. That would have been mid to late eighties, they were around Putnam, OK. Thanks, looks like they were "Square G Ranch" Thought they might have been breeding some old lines but it doesn't look like it. That was the name, I don't even know why I remembered the cattle in the first place it was a number of years ago. |
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Post by elkwc on Dec 20, 2019 20:51:44 GMT -6
If I remember right their name was Gleason, i remember them having a couple of bull sales and doing some advertising then never heard much about them. That would have been mid to late eighties, they were around Putnam, OK. Allen they are still in business. I believe they run over 200 mother cows now. I looked at part of their cowherd along with the heifers and bulls they had for sale last winter. Most I saw were traditional marked and colored. Had some nice cattle. Sell most by private treaty now. I never saw any with a lot of white. |
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Post by allenw on Dec 20, 2019 22:14:25 GMT -6
Elk Its good to know they're still in business, it was 35 years ago I seen the bulls and they may have been an extreme example of the amount of white in their cattle. The direction has been less white for a number of years now also.
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