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Post by randy on Aug 24, 2019 19:41:34 GMT -6
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Post by Glenn on Aug 24, 2019 21:20:16 GMT -6
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Aug 24, 2019 21:48:23 GMT -6
How long did he last breeding pasture with the dead straight rear fetlocks before he had stifle or soft tissue damage in the hind end. |
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Post by George on Aug 25, 2019 8:27:22 GMT -6
How long did he last breeding pasture with the dead straight rear fetlocks before he had stifle or soft tissue damage in the hind end. Looks like he had 1 registered progeny who had one unregistered progeny. But, hey, he once belonged to John Wayne! |
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Post by woodford on Aug 25, 2019 9:14:38 GMT -6
While our experience does not include the H30 bull, we did use our bull 26 BIG ABE B336 (18541289) a fair bit. Big Abe was born in 1983 and Myran Herefords bought him as an aged bull, about 6 or so, and used him naturally until he was 10 without any stifle or rear leg issues of any sort.
He was an enthusiastic breeder whose only structural fault was arthritis in the front knees. I helped load him up to take him to pasture the last breeding season that he was used. Abe knew that he was going to cows, and we thought that we might be able to load him into the trailer without first putting the bull in the trailer load out pen. We backed the trailer to the larger holding pen and just opened the gates. By this time Abe's knees didn't bend so well any more, but he didn't pay attention to much to that. He just put his front leg straight out and placed the foot on the trailer floor as he went ahead and kept going into the trailer without any pause, using his right leg as a cantilever with the shoulder as the pivot, it took about 2 seconds to load him. Since we knew about his arthritis, it was quite impressive to see.
There was a lot of true thickness in the Abe cattle loins and rear ends with the only fault being a lacking of muscle directly in the heart girth region. Some of the best progeny of Big Abe were from crossing with the get of KB STD VOLT LAD 17Y (19190382) who was a large framed bull and a little too big for our use today.
Woodford
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Post by Glenn on Aug 25, 2019 17:04:04 GMT -6
Cool. I'd be interested in more experiences with the 26 Bar Cattle. I personally almost know nothing about them at all.
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Post by alex on Aug 25, 2019 19:29:26 GMT -6
  I got to visit with Mr. Perry Debter a few weeks ago who lives a few hours north of us in Horton, Alabama who’s a first class guy. The Debter’s and my wife’s Lanier family have owned several bulls together and have sold cattle back and forth going back to the early 70’s. He told me about Mr. Marvin Meeks who managed the 26 Bar and how him and his dad Mr. Glynn Debter got to be good friends. The Debter’s were there to help induct Mr. Meeks into the AHA Hall of Fame. After retiring, he said Mr. Meeks moved back to his family farm in Burks Garden, Virginia which is a very fertile valley about 3000 feet above sea level with several 26 Bar cattle. The Debter’s eventually ended up with some of Mr. Meeks cattle which led to some bulls and cows ending up in my family’s herd in the late 80’s. We still have a few cattle with 26 Bar influence. Attached is a picture of that valley in Virginia. Glenn, the 4 year old bull that you questioned me about for sale on Facebook last week had some 26 Bar influence. |
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Post by erherf on Aug 25, 2019 20:15:50 GMT -6
Seems to me the 26 Bar were very popular in the early 70s when I was first getting interested in registered stock. Lucky Domino F216 sired a lot of bulls that were used in registered herds. John Wayne and Louis Johnson were the owners and Marvin Meek herdsman during this time frame.
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Post by larso on Aug 26, 2019 3:40:04 GMT -6
I got to visit with Mr. Perry Debter a few weeks ago who lives a few hours north of us in Horton, Alabama who’s a first class guy. The Debter’s and my wife’s Lanier family have owned several bulls together and have sold cattle back and forth going back to the early 70’s. He told me about Mr. Marvin Meeks who managed the 26 Bar and how him and his dad Mr. Glynn Debter got to be good friends. The Debter’s were there to help induct Mr. Meeks into the AHA Hall of Fame. After retiring, he said Mr. Meeks moved back to his family farm in Burks Garden, Virginia which is a very fertile valley about 3000 feet above sea level with several 26 Bar cattle. The Debter’s eventually ended up with some of Mr. Meeks cattle which led to some bulls and cows ending up in my family’s herd in the late 80’s. We still have a few cattle with 26 Bar influence. Attached is a picture of that valley in Virginia. Glenn, the 4 year old bull that you questioned me about for sale on Facebook last week had some 26 Bar influence. Amazing photo thank you for sharing |
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Post by guffeygal on Sept 2, 2019 20:13:25 GMT -6
We see Jack LeForce every so often. He is 91 and seems to be doing really well. He managed 26 Bar from mid sixties until 76 I think. He pretty well put the cow herd together and had worked for Lucky Hereford Ranch and knew which of those cattle to use. Those cattle pretty well put them on the map cattle wise.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Sept 6, 2019 21:45:54 GMT -6
How long did he last breeding pasture with the dead straight rear fetlocks before he had stifle or soft tissue damage in the hind end. Looks like he had 1 registered progeny who had one unregistered progeny. But, hey, he once belonged to John Wayne!I don't care, he still sucks  |
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Post by timbernt on Sept 7, 2019 3:23:55 GMT -6
Even among old ranchers there was a real draw to buy a bull from John Wayne. My Dad sold bulls to a good sized operation who bought a bull there each year. He said the bulls cost a quite a lot more and weren't as good as what he got from Dad, but he got his picture taken with John Wayne every year. I think we all experience the fact that there is a good deal more to marketing than just having good cattle.
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