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Post by Glenn on Nov 27, 2010 20:25:34 GMT -6
continually giving the small/medium breeder the shaft-o-la,
$100 annual fee for nothing on top of all there myriad regular fees now this:
ALL HEREFORD SIRES BORN AFTER 1-1-2011 MUST BE DNA GENOTYPED AT AT THE OFFICIAL AHA DNA LABORATORY BEFORE THEIR PROGENY CAN BE REGISTERED.
when does the madness stop?
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Post by Glenn on Nov 27, 2010 20:26:07 GMT -6
Looks like I might have a lot of calves born 12-31-2010.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 27, 2010 20:28:43 GMT -6
Or maybe I'll hit 100% success rate with my AI services, since they are "on file".
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Post by cpl on Nov 27, 2010 20:36:46 GMT -6
I can't really say I'm against this. How much does it cost to have them "genotyped" and what all does that include? Just a hair follicle sample?
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Post by Glenn on Nov 27, 2010 21:01:35 GMT -6
Whatever the AHA wants it to be. The only allowable testing facility is the "Official AHA DNA Laboratory". Meaning they will charge whatever they want. I am sure they will attempt to make the fee look reasonable at first but as the ever increasing appetite for money grows larger the fee will grow larger. Just like the $100 surcharge.
All BullSHIT.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 27, 2010 21:03:21 GMT -6
Also they I am sure they will keep the laboratory exclusive because they will require you to release all rights to the data collection to the association. They will use the data as they see fit. It will not be your private property any longer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2010 21:11:17 GMT -6
I can't really say I'm against this. How much does it cost to have them "genotyped" and what all does that include? Just a hair follicle sample? The cost is $40. I really don't see why they would feel this is necessary. |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 27, 2010 21:30:38 GMT -6
Where are you'll getting this information from. What do you get exactly for the $40.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2010 21:38:15 GMT -6
Where are you'll getting this information from. What do you get exactly for the $40. For $40 you get your bulls dna profile on file at the AHA official lab. They do a test for dilutor, hypotrichosis and ideopathic epilepsy and they keep the profile for future parentage evaluations. |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 27, 2010 21:50:57 GMT -6
Price seems a little steep for saying how many bull calves they'll be testing now. Income they never had before. I assume this is "at cost" for the goodness of the breed.
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Post by hoekland on Nov 27, 2010 23:36:14 GMT -6
While I agree that any additional cost to agriculture should be avoided I can't help but think its good for the breed, that same rule is already in practice here and no-one has gone bankrupt because of it.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 28, 2010 9:03:14 GMT -6
Is the test a hair sample or blood on a card or vial of blood?
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Post by hoekland on Nov 28, 2010 10:22:27 GMT -6
10 tailhairs with the follicles intact in a sealed envelope.
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Post by George on Nov 28, 2010 12:13:31 GMT -6
I think the cost of the test might be high, especially with the increased testing.
But I'm really glad to see it. I wouldn't be opposed to them requiring it as a part of registration, on both bulls and heifers in the future, if they could get the cost down to $20 or less. And that would sure eliminate some pedigree errors as well.
I've seen too many cattle sell in these multi-breeder sales, where no mention is made to their status regarding IE, HY, or DL - and I see a known IE carrier or a bull like Nick the Butler back in the pedigree. There's still too many "unknown" carriers lurking out there and until it is aggressively addressed, there's going to continue to be these problems crop up.
George
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 28, 2010 17:40:34 GMT -6
I was at a meeting a couple weeks ago where a auctioneer who travels the country working a lot of Hereford sales gave a little speech. He was talking about what adds value to Herefords in a sale. One of the things he mentioned was about an upcoming sale where there was a couple of calves sired by a HY carrier. The calves have been dna tested HYF. He said he would point this out when those lots came up, he then followed up saying that most people there wouldn't have a clue what he was talking about, and most wouldn't care. Kind of hard to believe.
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Post by George on Nov 29, 2010 13:58:49 GMT -6
I'm going to have to spend that $40 several times this year. I've got a few foundation cows that go back to IE carriers or HY carriers.
I want to know what I've got before I try to sell anything to someone else.
No doubt there's some folks completely ignorant of the potential problem. But there's also too many folks that are taking it too lightly - and dismissing it as only a minor problem.
What was it that one prominent breeder told me when the IE problem was surfacing? No problem - just breed a carrier bull to cows that are IE free and you'll not have a problem.
Yeah, right!
George
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Post by Glenn on Nov 29, 2010 14:11:40 GMT -6
I will be less put out if you do get the tests results with the blood typing regarding the genetic abnormalities. It doesn't mention that you get any information back in this month's HW, just that sires born after 1-1-11 must have a blood type on file to be able to register progeny out of him.
I see this as nothing more than a revenue source for the AHA, nothing more nothing less.
I will be surprised if you do get carrier information back.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 29, 2010 14:13:31 GMT -6
BTW, I am not against genetic testing when it is needed. I think all suspect pedigreed cattle should be tested if you intend to make them part of your herd or especially if you are going to sell them as breeding cattle.
I have several that I am going to have tested this year. A couple for IEC and a couple for diluter.
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Post by George on Nov 29, 2010 15:10:40 GMT -6
BTW, I am not against genetic testing when it is needed. I think all suspect pedigreed cattle should be tested if you intend to make them part of your herd or especially if you are going to sell them as breeding cattle. I have several that I am going to have tested this year. A couple for IEC and a couple for diluter. Yeah, I know where you're coming from. And it does seem a little bit restrictive and costly when you've got some young bulls you've raised that you know who the parents are - and you'd like to try them out on a few cows to see what they'll produce - but it's going to cost you ANOTHER $40 just to register any calves from them. I've spent the last few minutes going through the genetic abnormality carrier lists again at the AHA web-site. There's a lot more on the IE carrier list than the last time I looked, but the other lists are mostly unchanged. Tex Prime Time fascinates me. The bull ending up being both a carrier for DL and HY is an amazing stroke of bad luck. And, of course, looking through the lists, my least favorite manager of one of the state associations has had way more than his fair share of bad luck in buying carrier bulls for herd sires in his own herd. George |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 29, 2010 19:08:41 GMT -6
I will be less put out if you do get the tests results with the blood typing regarding the genetic abnormalities. It doesn't mention that you get any information back in this month's HW, just that sires born after 1-1-11 must have a blood type on file to be able to register progeny out of him. I see this as nothing more than a revenue source for the AHA, nothing more nothing less. I will be surprised if you do get carrier information back. Does the AHA lab even perform the test for genetic abnormalities. Last time I had one tested I had to send to a different lab, but thats been a few years back. |
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