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Dec 1, 2015 12:50:32 GMT -6
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Post by elkwc on Dec 1, 2015 12:50:32 GMT -6
Thinking about possibly using him on some Red Angus heifers. Would like to hear opinions either pro or con from those that have used him especially on heifers.
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Dec 1, 2015 14:01:48 GMT -6
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Post by rvf1986 on Dec 1, 2015 14:01:48 GMT -6
I have not used him myself, however I know of 2 farms who have used him and a son on heifers and are very pleased with the results. They haven't had any calving issues at all. They were used on smaller framed cattle with the hopes that they would give a lil more frame which they said he could added a lil more. But besides that they are real happy
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Dec 1, 2015 14:08:57 GMT -6
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Post by George on Dec 1, 2015 14:08:57 GMT -6
Thinking about possibly using him on some Red Angus heifers. Would like to hear opinions either pro or con from those that have used him especially on heifers. I just got 15 straws of 3027 to use on some heifers that I am planning on breeding to calve at 23-24 months and put them up for sale after they are confirmed safe. He looked to me to be the best choice of any so called "heifer bulls" available. I may also use him on a few heifers that I am retaining as well. I made my decision based on seeing some young calves from him at Rocking Chair Ranch a few years ago, plus all the progeny that I have seen over the years - including daughters in production.
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Post by Glenn on Dec 1, 2015 14:25:16 GMT -6
Not to rain on anyone's parade....but a Hereford heifer bull is not the same as an Angus heifer bull or Red Angus heifer bull.....
Have those breeds taken "heifer bull" too far? Probably so, but be careful when selling bulls to folks calving Angus heifers out. The years of stacking LBW sires has left them with some no ass, no hipped cattle, with tiny pelvis'
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Post by hoekland on Dec 1, 2015 15:05:30 GMT -6
Not to rain on anyone's parade....but a Hereford heifer bull is not the same as an Angus heifer bull or Red Angus heifer bull..... Have those breeds taken "heifer bull" too far? Probably so, but be careful when selling bulls to folks calving Angus heifers out. The years of stacking LBW sires has left them with some no ass, no hipped cattle, with tiny pelvis' Angus heifers are easy calvers (only when bred to angus bulls)
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Dec 1, 2015 16:53:40 GMT -6
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Post by jayh on Dec 1, 2015 16:53:40 GMT -6
Not to rain on anyone's parade....but a Hereford heifer bull is not the same as an Angus heifer bull or Red Angus heifer bull..... Have those breeds taken "heifer bull" too far? Probably so, but be careful when selling bulls to folks calving Angus heifers out. The years of stacking LBW sires has left them with some no ass, no hipped cattle, with tiny pelvis' Angus heifers are easy calvers (only when bred to angus bulls) Sometimes then they don't calve so easy. LOL
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Post by elkwc on Dec 1, 2015 20:12:28 GMT -6
Thanks George and RVF for the info. Out of all of my looking at Hereford herds haven't seen a direct son or daughter of his. Have seen a few Sensation progeny. I like him overall as well as anything ABS has to offer that might work on a heifer. These Red Angus are broad and soggy. So I feel he might work from what you both said. Glen in my opinion a large percentage of the Herefords I've seen are light muscled and penciled assed. This includes the L1's I've seen. I would say roughly 30% of the Herefords I've seen have had adequate muscling and width in the pelvic area. I had an L1 breeder stop at my table while I was eating yesterday. He had heard I had visited a Hereford herd recently. Wanted to know my impression of a couple of L1 bulls and their progeny I saw. Both very high sellers. He asked if the heifers out of the one bull were gutless. I said yes. He then asked if the calves out of the other were light muscled in the rear end and narrow. I said yes. In my opinion the good Herefords are hard to beat but they are fairly hard to find and higher when you do. I think both Black Angus and Herefords need to address some muscling issues on an overall basis. Individual breeders are doing great but as an overall breed both fall short in my opinion. In my somewhat limited travels the Red Angus are more consistent. At least the ones I've saw overall are better muscled, wide in the pelvic area. Most are soggy but upper 4 to mid 5 frames. Again it maybe the herds I've looked at.
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Dec 1, 2015 20:55:49 GMT -6
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Post by rvf1986 on Dec 1, 2015 20:55:49 GMT -6
You my want to check with Trailmaster about 175E , I just sold a son of him and I didn't have a mins problem calving heifers to him(both Hereford and Angus). The only reason I moved him is because I have a bunch of daughters of him. I just calves my first bunch of daughters in sept and Oct and they have great udders and milk really well. The bull was one of my best sires I've used in years.
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Dec 1, 2015 21:44:20 GMT -6
Post by elkwc on Dec 1, 2015 21:44:20 GMT -6
RVF I need to stick with a bull that ABS offers this time. 175E looks like a nice bull but didn't see him listed at ABS.
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Dec 1, 2015 21:44:54 GMT -6
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 1, 2015 21:44:54 GMT -6
Thinking about possibly using him on some Red Angus heifers. Would like to hear opinions either pro or con from those that have used him especially on heifers. he's the real deal.
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Dec 2, 2015 5:43:21 GMT -6
Post by elkwc on Dec 2, 2015 5:43:21 GMT -6
TK thanks. I thought maybe you had used him. If I close the deal on the heifers I will try to get them to AI them to him. I hope it might provide some nice red bald faced calves. The good black bald faced are either high or sold when I find them so decided to go this route and raise my own. I had seen several comments about 3027 but not many concerning using him on heifers.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:14:19 GMT -6
Post by elkwc on Dec 3, 2015 20:14:19 GMT -6
Did buy the heifers. So the plan is to breed them in the spring to 3027. I did look at Sentinel but his BW's look a little higher and isn't as proven.
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Dec 3, 2015 21:38:21 GMT -6
Post by circleh on Dec 3, 2015 21:38:21 GMT -6
Thinking about using 3027 or 177r for coming second calf cows. Opinions on the two would be appreciated and since the cows are straight L1 would 3027 produce L1 calves?
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Dec 3, 2015 22:11:18 GMT -6
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Post by George on Dec 3, 2015 22:11:18 GMT -6
Thinking about using 3027 or 177r for coming second calf cows. Opinions on the two would be appreciated and since the cows are straight L1 would 3027 produce L1 calves? Most L1 folks will say, "No!" I don't consider 3027 to be a Line 1 bull. 3027's dam is mostly "outcross". Although, if you go back far enough, most all Holden and Cooper bred cattle will have a tinge of "outcross" blood in their pedigree.
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Dec 4, 2015 13:11:44 GMT -6
Post by bookcliff on Dec 4, 2015 13:11:44 GMT -6
TK thanks. I thought maybe you had used him. If I close the deal on the heifers I will try to get them to AI them to him. I hope it might provide some nice red bald faced calves. The good black bald faced are either high or sold when I find them so decided to go this route and raise my own. I had seen several comments about 3027 but not many concerning using him on heifers. yeh, used him on heifers the last 4 years, cows somewhat over the last 3. probaly 100 of so matings on heifers between commericals and registereds, 60 or so on particualr matings on the cows.
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