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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 14:34:24 GMT -6
I don't know why so much focus goes on what color of hide these 2 guys have been involved with when it's the people like everyone here who are raising Herefords that dictate the type of product the Hereford breed is putting out there to be marketed. Show of hands: who here has been taking all their breeding and management directions straight from those working at AHA because we all know that is not the case. Jay, I think you hit it spot on when you bring up the topic of marketing because other than administrating Hereford registrations, marketing the breed is definitely an important job for AHA and those who are being paid to represent the breed. I've said it many times before about how I don't care what breed background people the association hires because first off aren't we trying to market our breed to non-Hereford breeders too and second I look at their positions as administrative more than anything and as long as they know what good cattle should look like I don't care if they raise black, red, purple, yellow, pink or whatever color of cattle as long as they are truly representing and marketing the Hereford breed in a manner that is in the best interests of the membership wants it to be then that shouldn't matter. If they were the most qualified candidates that applied for the jobs then that's all that matters and only time will tell if they were the right hires or not but we can't come to that judgment today when they have barely got their feet wet in their new roles.
I think oldduffer brought up another valid point, so if you do force these guys to only raise Herefords and they have cattle that they have raised in the show ring now you have people questioning if they are getting preferential treatment because of who they are because anyone who has been around the show ring knows that there are always whispers and accusations of politics and who knows who going on when someone of name has an animal that does well in the ring. In fact I don't really care to much about getting so caught up into comparing show cattle with seed stock and feeder cattle like some here do because regardless of what breed it's the same issues across the board where what goes through the show ring is not always in tune with what works in the pasture and feedlots and no matter how much we all think that should change it probably never will so it's not worth the effort to get your britches in a bundle over it. That's just the blunt truth about it whether people want to face that reality or not... there is a show cattle market and then there is a seed stock and feeder market and if you aren't raising cattle for the show cattle market then what goes on there really shouldn't have much effect on the type of cattle you are raising for the customers you are trying to market to.
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Post by George on Oct 5, 2015 15:59:33 GMT -6
I confess! I posted Shane Bedwell's CSU "resume" here because I knew that "Angus breeder" would fetch a comment or two! Just stirring the pot, I guess!
But I don't want folks to think that I don't support his hire - or necessarily support it, either, for that matter. I honestly know nothing about him other than what was on that webpage - what little that was said from the podium of the Hoffman sale - and what has been written here.
The comments here from those that know him give me hope.
Shoot - back when we had "Hereford men" in the leadership positions of the AHA, the Angus guys in charge of the AAA whooped their leadership ass so bad that it put the Hereford breed into a distant "second place" position to Angus, at the best. After watching and listening to the big Texas ranchers corral Jack Holden at the Flying S Sale and lobby against Jack Ward's appointment as CEO, I kinda came away hoping that he would actually get the job. Those old buzzards have had their way running the Texas Hereford association for far too long, IMNTBHO. Which is the reason that I'm no longer a THA member.
I'm still MUCH more concerned about the way that the "non-Hereford" Grand Champion Steer was handled than this hire. Jack Ward sure disappointed me there.
I suspect this COO hire was done primarily with the preference and input of Jack Ward. I HOPE that he picked someone that he can work with and they are able to form a cohesive and united staff to push the Hereford breed forward. One thing is certain - we DON'T want anything like what the Angus folks have had with their AAA leadership over the last couple years.
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Post by mehf on Oct 5, 2015 17:38:46 GMT -6
I confess! I posted Shane Bedwell's CSU "resume" here because I knew that "Angus breeder" would fetch a comment or two! Just stirring the pot, I guess! But I don't want folks to think that I don't support his hire - or necessarily support it, either, for that matter. I honestly know nothing about him other than what was on that webpage - what little that was said from the podium of the Hoffman sale - and what has been written here. The comments here from those that know him give me hope. Shoot - back when we had "Hereford men" in the leadership positions of the AHA, the Angus guys in charge of the AAA whooped their leadership ass so bad that it put the Hereford breed into a distant "second place" position to Angus, at the best. After watching and listening to the big Texas ranchers corral Jack Holden at the Flying S Sale and lobby against Jack Ward's appointment as CEO, I kinda came away hoping that he would actually get the job. Those old buzzards have had their way running the Texas Hereford association for far too long, IMNTBHO. Which is the reason that I'm no longer a THA member. I'm still MUCH more concerned about the way that the "non-Hereford" Grand Champion Steer was handled than this hire. Jack Ward sure disappointed me there. I suspect this COO hire was done primarily with the preference and input of Jack Ward. I HOPE that he picked someone that he can work with and they are able to form a cohesive and united staff to push the Hereford breed forward. One thing is certain - we DON'T want anything like what the Angus folks have had with their AAA leadership over the last couple years. Reading your comments, TK's of a few days ago and Byron Bayers' editorial in the October issue of Hereford America, I guess I (and all Hereford people as well ...) just have to have some hope.
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Post by jayh on Oct 6, 2015 11:46:36 GMT -6
I confess! I posted Shane Bedwell's CSU "resume" here because I knew that "Angus breeder" would fetch a comment or two! Just stirring the pot, I guess! But I don't want folks to think that I don't support his hire - or necessarily support it, either, for that matter. I honestly know nothing about him other than what was on that webpage - what little that was said from the podium of the Hoffman sale - and what has been written here. The comments here from those that know him give me hope. Shoot - back when we had "Hereford men" in the leadership positions of the AHA, the Angus guys in charge of the AAA whooped their leadership ass so bad that it put the Hereford breed into a distant "second place" position to Angus, at the best. After watching and listening to the big Texas ranchers corral Jack Holden at the Flying S Sale and lobby against Jack Ward's appointment as CEO, I kinda came away hoping that he would actually get the job. Those old buzzards have had their way running the Texas Hereford association for far too long, IMNTBHO. Which is the reason that I'm no longer a THA member. I'm still MUCH more concerned about the way that the "non-Hereford" Grand Champion Steer was handled than this hire. Jack Ward sure disappointed me there. I suspect this COO hire was done primarily with the preference and input of Jack Ward. I HOPE that he picked someone that he can work with and they are able to form a cohesive and united staff to push the Hereford breed forward. One thing is certain - we DON'T want anything like what the Angus folks have had with their AAA leadership over the last couple years. I disagree. I want whoever their marketing manager or whoever it is to come work for us. For anyone to think that we were not out marketed is just pure barn blindness. As for the other aspects of it I agree with you George. I really don't care about a grand champion steer. ( overpriced beef ) If we think about what has been done with angus we have to wonder why Hereford didn't and hasn't competed as well. I still think it is marketing. We have just as good of cows and bulls as they do just no one buying the color. They have angus certified everything. Most I have ever seen on our side is a can of spam one time saying certified Hereford beef. ( really we couldn't do any better than spam ) .
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Post by Glenn on Oct 6, 2015 12:03:14 GMT -6
I think George is referring to all the politics and shenanigans regarding the ouster of their director by a handful of "big name" breeders......one of whom is now also raising Herefords......
On the CHB thing, at least you've seen 'spam' LOL.....I have never even seen a CHB product in the flesh.......anywhere!!!
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Post by mehf on Oct 6, 2015 13:34:56 GMT -6
I think George is referring to all the politics and shenanigans regarding the ouster of their director by a handful of "big name" breeders......one of whom is now also raising Herefords...... On the CHB thing, at least you've seen 'spam' LOL.....I have never even seen a CHB product in the flesh.......anywhere!!! Glenn, RE: CHB - we buy it all the time up here in Connecticut. It is delicious in every respect. The CHB runs circles (in flavor, juiciness and tenderness ...)around all of the labeled and branded black critter beef sold in this region. And, if you (and your Mrs. too ...) happen to be nearby at some time in the future, you are very welcome to stop by and join Janet and I for a first-class CHB steak dinner.
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Post by jayh on Oct 6, 2015 13:42:56 GMT -6
I think George is referring to all the politics and shenanigans regarding the ouster of their director by a handful of "big name" breeders......one of whom is now also raising Herefords...... On the CHB thing, at least you've seen 'spam' LOL.....I have never even seen a CHB product in the flesh.......anywhere!!! Do you have a local butcher shop? I see here they are advertising half a beef to whole beef certified angus here. I really think we need to jump on this band wagon sooner than later. I personally have two customers that wont buy anything but Hereford since I sold them 1/2 each. They both have orders for next spring.
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Post by mehf on Oct 6, 2015 15:07:39 GMT -6
I think George is referring to all the politics and shenanigans regarding the ouster of their director by a handful of "big name" breeders......one of whom is now also raising Herefords...... On the CHB thing, at least you've seen 'spam' LOL.....I have never even seen a CHB product in the flesh.......anywhere!!! Do you have a local butcher shop? I see here they are advertising half a beef to whole beef certified angus here. I really think we need to jump on this band wagon sooner than later. I personally have two customers that wont buy anything but Hereford since I sold them 1/2 each. They both have orders for next spring. Hey jah, It appears that your two customers know what good beef is; namely Hereford beef.
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