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Post by Glenn on Mar 24, 2015 11:37:08 GMT -6
Man, ya'll start the brainwashing early!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 13:24:07 GMT -6
Man, ya'll start the brainwashing early!!!! Well we like to breed them Polled but it doesn't mean they always turn out that way. My wife's family breeds commercial cattle so if anything she's going to be well-rounded on her breeds I guess... We do have some horn genes in some pedigrees that can throw the occasional horn. Our Rausch bull was sired by a horned bull in the Puckster bloodline which has several layers of Polled and Horned genes when you trace him back. We also have a polled dam sired by Holden's HH Advance 255M 1ET horned bull, and a couple other polled dams that have OXH DOMINO 7002 and DR ACHIEVER 8403 horned bulls back in their pedigrees that we get an occasional horned calf out of too. We've been trying to breed those dams to homozygous polled bulls lately, our next herd sire is homo polled so that definitely will help clean up the horn potential with the Puckster daughters we kept.
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Post by pwbedy on Mar 24, 2015 18:46:28 GMT -6
I name mine 1part Bloodline & 1part uniqueness!
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Post by bookcliff on Mar 25, 2015 12:05:11 GMT -6
Tom, I guess knowing those bulls and how highly they were promoted is what makes us old guys cynical about the current crop of promotors. like they say "with age and expereince comes wisdom" and I am old enough to have either expereinced some of these bulls or personally knew otheres that had and damn sure don't want to again to say the least. simply put your comments about highly promoted bulls are right on the mark. add Prime Time, Pacesetter, Solitare, Race, Raceway, Trustmark, Builder, Master Plan and 38 Special to the list.
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Post by bookcliff on Mar 25, 2015 12:07:02 GMT -6
Read "Battle of the Bull Runts" and you will learn all about the Larry Dominos...and some other interesting stuff. Things that you won't find in "The First 49". AMEN. Should be required reading for every new breeder. Copy of book should come with membership certificate. Most sobering point to me was how long traits could set and simmer before being expressed. Strong evidence for at least some degree of line breeding. exactly. it was runts back then, but it damn sure could be some other genetic abnormality today and IE is a very good example of what Mike just said.
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Post by bookcliff on Mar 25, 2015 12:09:58 GMT -6
Some good comments here! On a side note I may have to go completely off track of what I normally do and name one of my bull calves Albert since my nearly 1 year old daughter has a stuffed Hereford toy we named Albert that she just loves that is named after the famous Albert the Bull: www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11321 where her great grandma lives. Yeah I know the one pictured in the link is horned but grandma did some "de-horning" on the toy so he matched everything we have on the farm. my daughter had a whole pile of them stuffed herfs when she was younger (she's still got em). came in one night right before we left for Denver when she was 5 or 6 and Andrea was all worked up because Katherine had run em all thru the bathtub, went and found Katherine and she was lining all of em up on her dresser and I asked her why she had done it and what she was diong with em now and she said "getting her string ready for denver" priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 8:15:20 GMT -6
Tom, I guess knowing those bulls and how highly they were promoted is what makes us old guys cynical about the current crop of promotors. like they say "with age and expereince comes wisdom" and I am old enough to have either expereinced some of these bulls or personally knew otheres that had and damn sure don't want to again to say the least. simply put your comments about highly promoted bulls are right on the mark. add Prime Time, Pacesetter, Solitare, Race, Raceway, Trustmark, Builder, Master Plan and 38 Special to the list. Race- I always wondered about the cattle when the frame score and BW were more than double the milk numbers. Then I saw a few of them and that answered the questions for me. The name fit though, because the ones I saw looked like Greyhounds. Has anyone mentioned Nick yet?
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Post by shumakerherefords on Mar 26, 2015 9:14:05 GMT -6
I tried Race one year and the birth weights were high but not unreasonable. Tried a son named Rave the next year and that was a total train wreck. Got 7 calves from 10 straws. One weighed 144 lb and another weighed 132 lb. Had 6 bulls and one heifer. Never did get the heifer to breed.
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Post by randy on Mar 29, 2015 7:27:36 GMT -6
Hmmm.... add Incredible Hulk and Hummer..... I supposed you could also put D4 on the list because those cattle did the maximum amount of damage they could incur with cowmen.
The truth is that fad breeding almost destroyed the breed once. Fads have a foothold as there is a new generation of breeders that have no knowledge of history and less knowledge of the cattle that came before their time.
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Post by hoekland on Mar 29, 2015 13:11:36 GMT -6
I've never again seen bulls that could dry up a cow's heifers like Race and Raceway. They did that without fail!
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Post by strojanherefords on Mar 30, 2015 21:02:03 GMT -6
In general I dislike creative names, a Hereford should stand on its own merits. A particular pet peeve of mine is the "John Wayne" bull. A while back I spent a half an hour trying to connect him to the 26 Bar Ranch without success. As a side not I have read the Battle of Bull Runts many years ago and I found it most interesting.
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Post by oldduffer on Mar 31, 2015 9:35:58 GMT -6
John Wayne should NOT be used for a bulls name.
My neighbor has a black X-bred bull that he calls "Barack". He's a commercial bull.....doesn't know where he was born, doesn't know his history, can't control him, and has to get rid of him because he's not getting his job done.
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Post by pwbedy on Mar 31, 2015 20:11:32 GMT -6
John Wayne should NOT be used for a bulls name. My neighbor has a black X-bred bull that he calls "Barack". He's a commercial bull.....doesn't know where he was born, doesn't know his history, can't control him, and has to get rid of him because he's not getting his job done. The Big thing that really Bother's me about the bull named KT John Wayne is that his name is totally fraudulent because He has none of The Duke's breeding in his pedigree! Now that I'm actually Bringing back 1of John Wayne's bloodlines & I really have 2b creative 2 give my calves the names they're due!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:22:55 GMT -6
My neighbor has a black X-bred bull that he calls "Barack". He's a commercial bull.....doesn't know where he was born, doesn't know his history, can't control him, and has to get rid of him because he's not getting his job done. LOL! this story is great!
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