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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 13:21:21 GMT -6
So here is a lighter topic for discussion, how do you come up with your registration names? Do you have a method you typically use to come up with them or do you just think up something that sounds catchy? I figure this is a topic that can't possibly rub people the wrong way 
We typically like the find ways to take something associated with both the sire and dam if we can otherwise right now we kind of have a few "themes" we go with the names of the bulls we've been using. For example our herd sire has been a Puckster bull so when we've registered sons out of him we have been using names of hockey players such as Gretzky, Eurzione, Orr, Hull, Howe, and Oshie. With our Revolution calves the heifers have been Reva and bulls Rebel. And with the On Target bulls we have bullseye and marksman, probably will use sharpshooter and sniper eventually once we get some calves out of the Marksman bull in a year. Or we have the combination names for instance our 2 Logic daughters are Logic's Princess and Logic's Cowgirl which took part of the name from both the sire and dam. |
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Post by hoekland on Mar 20, 2015 14:45:01 GMT -6
I'm not as creative, the heifers have the same name as their dams, bulls the same as the sire, but bulls usually get a nickname so I'll incorporate that in the son's name, for instance Renegade 0917's sons will have his nickname in the name like Silver Renegade 1318, Silver Renegade 1319, etc. The next generation will have the nickname of whatever we called his sire on the farm. It kinda limits you when you linebreed one paternal line, every single bull is a Renegade.
Bulls I've used in the last few years that was born here that I can think of was Renegade 0810 (we called him Brinkie after a man with a big birthmark on his face, yes I know not very politically correct) Renegade 0816 (he was called Resiesperd (Racehorse) for some reason), Renegade 0917 (Silver), Renegade 0918 (Big Easy) SIlver Renegade 1112 (Langkop or longhead) Silver Renegade 1102(Willie), Silver Renegade 1101(Z), Brink Renegade 1103 (Eugene), others that was sold was called Resies Renegade, Brink Renegade, Wil Renegade, Easy Renegade, Z Renegade, Long Renegade, Eugene Renegade after their sires's nicknames
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Post by mrvictordomino on Mar 20, 2015 20:46:24 GMT -6
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Mar 20, 2015 20:59:31 GMT -6
Not very creative as well..... Actually haven't been creative in forty years. Bulls are Victor and the females are Victoria. I do like it when the names reflect the bloodlines like they once did years ago. (Not all did but more than today) Remind me of a popular movie in the 80's named "Victor,Victoria" |
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Post by George on Mar 20, 2015 22:46:16 GMT -6
I tried to loosely follow the way Gudgell and Simpson named their cattle. Names they used, like Beau Brummel, Don Carlos, Donna Anna, Dulcinea came from characters in operas, plays, or books. I have given each female purchased into my herd a unique "cow family" name. If she came with a unique handle in her registered name, I would use it. For instance: Glitter for -S Glitter 69K R20...then every heifer in the cow line that is a descendant will get my prefix (/HUS) followed by the cow family name (GLITTER) followed by her tattoo/herd ID number (39X). Cows that I bought that had a generic name, like C MS PURE GOLD 2017, would be given a cow family name (in this case "RUBY"). Then every one of her descendants in the cow line would get my prefix, the cow family name, and their tattoo/herd ID number. (Example: /HUS RUBY 26Z, who is three generations removed from 2017. 2017(Ruby) was the first heifer I purchased when I returned to the Hereford business in 2002. Ruby was a totally random name given her because of her shiny medium red coat of hair. The cattle that I purchased from Jerry and Claude Harland ended up with cow family names of Claudia, Jerri, and Claudette....for obvious reasons. I originally gave bull calves a name loosely tied to their sire's name or a combination of their sire and maternal grandsire's name, but starting in 2011, I started giving each bull calf prospect that I thought might be retained as a herd bull a unique name that was associated with a famous artist, actor, or author - preceded by my prefix and followed bY their tattoo/herd ID number. My fall crop has 4 potential prospects and I named all of them after authors: Orwell, Hawthorne, Tolkien, and Frost. /HUS TOLKIEN 29B is current favorite of the 4, but he still has to pass DNA muster as being HYF before he gets put in the bull pen, rather than being sent to town as a stocker/feeder calf. Tolkien, as a 6 week old calf:  |
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Post by randy on Mar 21, 2015 7:39:16 GMT -6
Many times in the past I have seen purebred bulls that had more "name" than bull. There have been a few that had a nickname that truly earned it. I think more often than not many breeders wish said bull's name would not have been so flashy a few generations out.
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Post by tartancowgirl on Mar 21, 2015 16:01:35 GMT -6
When we bought our cattle we were told that Hereford females were always called after their cow families. I actually love that sense of history and tradition in the names, that we can trace their tail female line back for a hundred years or more, and there are only about 20 female families left. Of course I realise now it isn't always the case, and that sometimes the names get altered eg we have a Silver cow whose mother was called Sylvia, although her great grandmother was a Silver, but I get stupidly annoyed when a cow is called "Julia" for example and there aren't any Julias behind it. I am also realising that it can get very confusing eg our Model has now had 3 daughters, all Models, and one of those has had a heifer so we have added another word, so the granddaughter is called China Model. Still not sure if we can keep this up though and may just revert to numbers! The bulls though don't seem to follow this pattern so we can pretty much do as we want.
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Post by bookcliff on Mar 21, 2015 19:52:56 GMT -6
Many times in the past I have seen purebred bulls that had more "name" than bull. There have been a few that had a nickname that truly earned it. I think more often than not many breeders wish said bull's name would not have been so flashy a few generations out. totally agree with you on this one Randy. guess I'm old school. follow the paternal side with the pedigreed names IE like a Legend 242 calf is a Legend, a King Ten is a King Ten, personally I always liked the real old days when the calf outa a bull was such and such the 13th or 46th or 123rd ect. all this crap of naming each bull calf a fancy name is just that, hype. at least the old school polled deal of naming the calves names that followed the given letter code for the year made a little sense if the operation was smaller and only kept a few calves each year. also am not one who really likes seeing all the mutlitudes of prefixes in a single pedigreed name you see on a bunch of cattle these days. in my mind the breeders prefix is the only one that should be attached. also as Randy said aobut the flashy a couple of gnereations out on the pedigree issue, you old horned guys that have been around as long as I have will get this one, I bought a CSU aggie 3203 son from #^$&% back some 15 years ago to run on heifers (and he didn't have any 7777's or Awesome in him, nor any of the blood his pedigree name would imply cause I know some of you that would be the first quesiton on your mind coming outa that particular outfit up north).....anyway at the time I thought about had changing his name but never got around to it and when I did it was too late, it was &^ Ag CHallenger 0101. Challenger, mind you, Challenger, what was he thinking and why didn't I change it?  ? |
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Post by George on Mar 21, 2015 21:36:22 GMT -6
I see an occasional bull that's been named Titan again! Shoot, I was thinking of naming one of mine "Larry Domino" just for the heck of it!  |
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Post by hoekland on Mar 22, 2015 3:39:07 GMT -6
When we bought our cattle we were told that Hereford females were always called after their cow families. I actually love that sense of history and tradition in the names, that we can trace their tail female line back for a hundred years or more, and there are only about 20 female families left. Of course I realise now it isn't always the case, and that sometimes the names get altered eg we have a Silver cow whose mother was called Sylvia, although her great grandmother was a Silver, but I get stupidly annoyed when a cow is called "Julia" for example and there aren't any Julias behind it. I am also realising that it can get very confusing eg our Model has now had 3 daughters, all Models, and one of those has had a heifer so we have added another word, so the granddaughter is called China Model. Still not sure if we can keep this up though and may just revert to numbers! The bulls though don't seem to follow this pattern so we can pretty much do as we want. Traditionally the bulls's names started with the letter of the alphabet that was used for that year, if the letter was B than they would have been calles, Bossy, Boxer, Bully, etc, regardless of who their sire was |
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Post by tartancowgirl on Mar 22, 2015 14:00:01 GMT -6
When we bought our cattle we were told that Hereford females were always called after their cow families. I actually love that sense of history and tradition in the names, that we can trace their tail female line back for a hundred years or more, and there are only about 20 female families left. Of course I realise now it isn't always the case, and that sometimes the names get altered eg we have a Silver cow whose mother was called Sylvia, although her great grandmother was a Silver, but I get stupidly annoyed when a cow is called "Julia" for example and there aren't any Julias behind it. I am also realising that it can get very confusing eg our Model has now had 3 daughters, all Models, and one of those has had a heifer so we have added another word, so the granddaughter is called China Model. Still not sure if we can keep this up though and may just revert to numbers! The bulls though don't seem to follow this pattern so we can pretty much do as we want. Traditionally the bulls's names started with the letter of the alphabet that was used for that year, if the letter was B than they would have been calles, Bossy, Boxer, Bully, etc, regardless of who their sire was Yes some breeders still do that - maybe we should but as yet we have had very few bull calves. Most seem to choose the grandest names they can think of - as I've said before many are obsessed with size so they call their bulls something like "Gargantuan" or Goliath. |
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Post by bookcliff on Mar 22, 2015 14:22:34 GMT -6
Traditionally the bulls's names started with the letter of the alphabet that was used for that year, if the letter was B than they would have been calles, Bossy, Boxer, Bully, etc, regardless of who their sire was Yes some breeders still do that - maybe we should but as yet we have had very few bull calves. Most seem to choose the grandest names they can think of - as I've said before many are obsessed with size so they call their bulls something like "Gargantuan" or Goliath. oh my, Goliath, another name from the past with a long trail of baggage. QUANTO OMNI FLUNKO MORITATI |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 15:54:16 GMT -6
It can only be a matter of time before one of the new to the breed members introduce their latest offspring.....
XXX Mr Perfection OO7
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Post by strojanherefords on Mar 23, 2015 12:39:53 GMT -6
Can we hear the why Perfection, Larry Domino, Goliath, Titan, Awesome, and Challenger wouldn't be good names for a Hereford?
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Post by hoekland on Mar 23, 2015 12:56:44 GMT -6
Can we hear the why Perfection, Larry Domino, Goliath, Titan, Awesome, and Challenger wouldn't be good names for a Hereford? Now there is a loaded question, I, for one, am looking forward to the replies... |
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Post by moon on Mar 23, 2015 16:08:43 GMT -6
Quickly because I am short on time. Perfection---Polled bull which ended up in litigation. KC Star wrote expose on the controversy. Allegations ranged from out of Red Holstein cow to a Milking Shorthorn. Registrations pulled.
Larry Domino---dwarfs, read Battle of the Bull Runts.
Titan, Awesome, and Challenger---Simmie influence or questionable parentage influenced by non Hereford blood.
Goliath---not sure exactly, but Line Ones on HT should know best.
You can add the 34Z bull in Canada, Monarch bull from Oxley, and remarkable this topic came up, as in Denver this year I saw a bull named Prime Time and I asked the owner if it went back to ole PT himself and being a newbie you should have seen the look on his face as he had no clue what I was referring to, nor did he really know what was off the paper past three generations.
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Post by randy on Mar 23, 2015 20:24:12 GMT -6
I bought interest in a Muley bull named Levitation.... His name was correct.... I levitated my butt out to the calving barn all night long until his harem were calved....sold that sucker and never looked back...
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Post by bookcliff on Mar 23, 2015 21:12:02 GMT -6
Can we hear the why Perfection, Larry Domino, Goliath, Titan, Awesome, and Challenger wouldn't be good names for a Hereford? you got to be joking |
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Post by strojanherefords on Mar 23, 2015 21:18:06 GMT -6
Can we hear the why Perfection, Larry Domino, Goliath, Titan, Awesome, and Challenger wouldn't be good names for a Hereford? you got to be joking I believe all those bulls were history before I was born |
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Post by timbernt on Mar 23, 2015 22:03:53 GMT -6
Tom, I guess knowing those bulls and how highly they were promoted is what makes us old guys cynical about the current crop of promotors.
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Post by strojanherefords on Mar 23, 2015 23:57:24 GMT -6
I knew the stories of Perfection and Titan but I would like to hear the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to say.
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Post by George on Mar 24, 2015 0:02:30 GMT -6
I knew the stories of Perfection and Titan but I would like to hear the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to say. Read "Battle of the Bull Runts" and you will learn all about the Larry Dominos...and some other interesting stuff. Things that you won't find in "The First 49". |
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Post by guffeygal on Mar 24, 2015 6:04:26 GMT -6
I knew the stories of Perfection and Titan but I would like to hear the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to say. Read "Battle of the Bull Runts" and you will learn all about the Larry Dominos...and some other interesting stuff. Things that you won't find in "The First 49". AMEN. Should be required reading for every new breeder. Copy of book should come with membership certificate. Most sobering point to me was how long traits could set and simmer before being expressed. Strong evidence for at least some degree of line breeding. |
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Post by George on Mar 24, 2015 7:15:14 GMT -6
Read "Battle of the Bull Runts" and you will learn all about the Larry Dominos...and some other interesting stuff. Things that you won't find in "The First 49". AMEN. Should be required reading for every new breeder. Copy of book should come with membership certificate. Most sobering point to me was how long traits could set and simmer before being expressed. Strong evidence for at least some degree of line breeding. That is what concerns me! With the pattern of breeding followed by the vast majority of breeders today, along with a small group of bulls being used widely, we could have another genetic problem in the population and it take 10-20 years to manifest itself and be a huge problem. Too few genetic checks are made by today's breeders! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 10:49:08 GMT -6
Some good comments here! On a side note I may have to go completely off track of what I normally do and name one of my bull calves Albert since my nearly 1 year old daughter has a stuffed Hereford toy we named Albert that she just loves that is named after the famous Albert the Bull: www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11321 where her great grandma lives. Yeah I know the one pictured in the link is horned but grandma did some "de-horning" on the toy so he matched everything we have on the farm. |
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