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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 22:31:49 GMT -6
So, are you saying if a guy wants some Hereford bulls that are short squatty little toads carrying alot of fat, have high BW EPDs, and can't walk or travel, the NWSS is the place to go look for such bulls? Can't say we've ever sold bulls to anyone with that sort of criteria.
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Post by timbernt on Jan 20, 2015 7:24:29 GMT -6
No, you can buy them direct off the farm from the toadmakers.
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Post by oldduffer on Jan 20, 2015 11:47:53 GMT -6
Brookcliff: Would appreciate more photos of your pen bulls.
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Post by George on Jan 20, 2015 13:09:51 GMT -6
So, to the ones that actually saw them in person, were the CRR calves that won the bull pen show(all sons of Catapult) toads?
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 20, 2015 17:31:00 GMT -6
Hampton's a couple inches taller than me and I'm 6'1. does that put in perspective. and I guess if you consider no necks left in a scrotum as an indication of being fat then you can see for yourself in the video.
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Post by randy on Jan 20, 2015 18:14:34 GMT -6
I was not there, but from the photos I have seen and what I have heard. Hmmmm.... Must have been one hell of a "Goat Rodeo".
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 20, 2015 18:16:34 GMT -6
George,
another piece of the puzzle why TJ, myself and others consider what we witness'd a travisty in operation..........
no names because, well, because this is pretty damning.........
there was a particular pen of junior bull calves that placed very well, right up at damn near the top of the class. however, they were 2nd lightest calves in their particular class (didn't even come close to averaging 1,000 lbs), stuffed to the gills with panches of tail fat starting already and absolutely no neck left in their scrotums. all were sired by a bull that is listed in a particular semen companies 2015 book as a mature hip height of 52 inches and a mature weight of 1972 lbs. now, a mature bull has to to be 52.3 inches tall according to BIF standards to even be a 3.0 frame, thus their sire is a high Frame score 2.
this particular pen of bulls (and I reinerate-- came damn close to winning their class) were a set that we passed coming or giong to turnouts several times over the coarse of Denver and, given that I had 2 5.8's and a 5.9 frame in my pen of junior bull calves, I can tell you that those bulls when they passed ours were appreciatively shorter in stature and in overal length of body. I would estimate them as bieng mid to low 4's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 21:15:10 GMT -6
Well hell, if the Angus have already been doing this, then it must be right.
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Post by elkwc on Jan 21, 2015 5:50:26 GMT -6
George my observations from the pictures and videos are similar to what has been stated above. I didn't go look at their ages so that might be a factor also. Regardless they are carrying plenty of extra tallow. I also looked at where the second bull hits what appears to be a standard sized panel. In the end it only matters to me how the feeder buyer classifies them not the owner, a judge or someone on the internet. And from what I've seen at the auction I attend they would very likely be docked. Raising cattle is enough of a gamble without adding more to it. They are for sure borderline and might work on the right cows but why take the risk?
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Post by elkwc on Jan 21, 2015 7:28:03 GMT -6
George I think if a person would look at the results posted on this forum about the results of the sale Monday and look at those cattle he could tell what the commercial breeder desires and is willing to pay for. They provide a good guage for comparison purposes. They are the type that will sire feeders that won't be docked in this area. Again it is more about type and not color. The sale average proves if a purebred breeder is willing to stay the course and raise what the commercial breeder desires he will be rewarded.
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