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Post by bookcliff on Dec 29, 2014 12:05:01 GMT -6
We (Carswell-Nichols Herefords) will be out in the yards as well again this year. Not sure on pen assignment yet. We will be bringing a carload of spring 2014 bulls, mostly late Feb and early March born. Sounds like yard numbers are way up, not sure how they are going to get all of those pens through in one day. But this is a good problem to have I guess. I dont' post much, but always enjoy watching the discussio. Hopefully we will get a chance to meet a few of you folks out in Denver. what I heard day before yesterday is 50 pens of bulls entered, 12 carloads, 36 pens of heifers. if you figure most everyone brings spare's thats 86 pens X 4 hd (the three they are showing plus one spare) equals 384 head of pen cattle, and figure most guys bring 10-12 head on carloads roughly 120 head so realistically if everything entered in the yards shows up then somewhere in the neighborhood of 475-500 head in the yards at Denver this year. gonna be crowded. I'd hate to be a new guy there, might halfa share a pen with someone like some of the newby's in the yards got stuck doing 5 years ago. don't know how many hereford heifers if any are entered in the Heifermart in the yards
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Post by picketwire on Jan 3, 2015 11:16:42 GMT -6
Tom, are you & the crew headed in this week or this coming weekend? With that many pens and carloads i don't envy anyone checking in or out. Did you hear any other breed numbers going in?
Gonna try to make it in for part of a day pending schedules. . .watch for the hogger outa the mud!
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 3, 2015 12:45:31 GMT -6
Tom, are you & the crew headed in this week or this coming weekend? With that many pens and carloads i don't envy anyone checking in or out. Did you hear any other breed numbers going in? Gonna try to make it in for part of a day pending schedules. . .watch for the hogger outa the mud! leaving about 2:30 or 3 AM on Friday morning for Denver.
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Post by randy on Jan 4, 2015 9:36:06 GMT -6
It has been some time since I have been in the yards at Denver. I was wondering how much business is taking place in the yards now. I can remember when there was a great deal of commercial buyers in the yards.
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Post by rnichols78 on Jan 4, 2015 19:53:37 GMT -6
Tom has quite a bit more experience out there than I, but Denver is always such a mixed bag for us.
It's a great way for us to get our name out there and be seen, but the audience is hit and miss at best. Tons of local, gawker traffic and limited commercial cattlemen on most days. Always good crowds the days around the Hereford activities, but many of the other days can be pretty slow.
We don't sell our bulls in Denver, but a good majority of the ultimate buyers of our Denver cattle have been people that first saw them in the yards.
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 4, 2015 22:23:46 GMT -6
Tom has quite a bit more experience out there than I, but Denver is always such a mixed bag for us. It's a great way for us to get our name out there and be seen, but the audience is hit and miss at best. Tons of local, gawker traffic and limited commercial cattlemen on most days. Always good crowds the days around the Hereford activities, but many of the other days can be pretty slow. We don't sell our bulls in Denver, but a good majority of the ultimate buyers of our Denver cattle have been people that first saw them in the yards. I concur. while we usually sell several of em either just before or at Denver each year, what it really does is generate interest and sales in our program (as well as the bulls we pack out there) either just before it by range bull breeders or afterwords by front end kind commerical outfits. we look at the Yards as an open air trade show complete with cattle, not as a cattle show. that is how we can justify the costs associated with giong to Denver and it has been a successful format for us. we damn sure don't go to win the purple on the tanbark. I have no interest in raising the kind that it takes to do that these days, nor feed one that hard (and wreck em in the process)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 22:52:21 GMT -6
The AHA could save alot of money on the expenses towards judges. Don't need em for the carload/pen show. All you need to do is discover the highest WDA, then you have your champion. If you think I'm full of crap, just wait for the final results and check out the WDAs on each pen/carload. More times than not the placings will follow the WDA. A guy with a big feed bucket, or big wallet to fund all of that feed, will fare pretty well in Denver. Providing he is willing to risk wrecking his bulls in the process.
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Post by picketwire on Jan 5, 2015 9:15:29 GMT -6
The AHA could save alot of money on the expenses towards judges. Don't need em for the carload/pen show. All you need to do is discover the highest WDA, then you have your champion. If you think I'm full of crap, just wait for the final results and check out the WDAs on each pen/carload. More times than not the placings will follow the WDA. A guy with a big feed bucket, or big wallet to fund all of that feed, will fare pretty well in Denver. Providing he is willing to risk wrecking his bulls in the process. Sssshhhhhhhhhhh!! You are letting out a secret!! Sssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 18:18:15 GMT -6
The AHA could save alot of money on the expenses towards judges. Don't need em for the carload/pen show. All you need to do is discover the highest WDA, then you have your champion. If you think I'm full of crap, just wait for the final results and check out the WDAs on each pen/carload. More times than not the placings will follow the WDA. A guy with a big feed bucket, or big wallet to fund all of that feed, will fare pretty well in Denver. Providing he is willing to risk wrecking his bulls in the process. You should see the fatties in Houston. Some of them look like they may have diabetes from all the feed. Haha
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 5, 2015 20:26:07 GMT -6
yeh, sad thing is that I'll be the greenest bulls in my class with em averaging .23 inches of bark (while most everyone else usually has paunches of tail fat anymore --pretty sad for 10-11 month old calves) and will also more than likely being one of the largest framed sets at a average frame of 5.9 combined with a WDA of 3.3 to boot and mine won't be "big enough". Ah, the dicotomies of the show ring.
oh and the reason I know exactly what my bulls giong have for bark is we scanned em last friday.
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Post by guffeygal on Jan 6, 2015 7:36:11 GMT -6
Good Luck in Denver and safe travels. Stay out of The Zanzabar!
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 6, 2015 10:13:22 GMT -6
Good Luck in Denver and safe travels. Stay out of The Zanzabar! if your with the Canadians thats easier said than done.....................
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Post by guffeygal on Jan 6, 2015 12:17:57 GMT -6
We went out there to celebrate Bill Peck winning "Herdsman of The Year". Think they took me along as designated driver. About 6 of us crammed in Indian Mound's old International tractor truck. We lost track of most of the 6 and Bob Mayfield and I were the only 2 passengers back to the afore mentioned Colonial Manor. That's been a long time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 22:32:31 GMT -6
yeh, sad thing is that I'll be the greenest bulls in my class with em averaging .23 inches of bark (while most everyone else usually has paunches of tail fat anymore --pretty sad for 10-11 month old calves) and will also more than likely being one of the largest framed sets at a average frame of 5.9 combined with a WDA of 3.3 to boot and mine won't be "big enough". Ah, the dicotomies of the show ring. oh and the reason I know exactly what my bulls giong have for bark is we scanned em last friday. But your bulls will be developed the way a real cowman wants em, and they will give their owners many years of service. They haven't stood knee deep in a silage pile since the day they were pulled off their mommas, only to be salvaged at 2-3 years of age.
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Post by mehf on Jan 7, 2015 6:31:38 GMT -6
TO ALL THE HEREFORD BREEDERS HEADED TO DENVER -
Safe travels both ways and I hope that all of you have good sales and return home with a bunch of ribbons!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 10:07:54 GMT -6
i'll have to admit that my gut says this will probably be one of those denvers that is remembered... kinda like when i think about superbowls i always think of bears vs pats superbowl xx... the superbowl shuffle and all. anyhow its been on my mind a bit hear lately... be tempting to go. plus i heard mickelson has a buyer number for the denver sale... so would be fun to watch him get dizzy down there!
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Post by picketwire on Jan 7, 2015 10:25:34 GMT -6
This denver just might end up being remembered for the weather but I hope it is for the events and the cattle.
Tom, keep the water hot and the coffee on!(and the spirits handy)
oh and the Colonial is looking like one of those ordinary little hidden hole in the wall places nowadays and no idea of the ownership anymore, but every time I go by on the way to work, the outside is clean and well kept. Might work well if you bring your earplugs for the I-70 roar!
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Post by strojanherefords on Jan 7, 2015 11:01:59 GMT -6
yeh, sad thing is that I'll be the greenest bulls in my class with em averaging .23 inches of bark (while most everyone else usually has paunches of tail fat anymore --pretty sad for 10-11 month old calves) and will also more than likely being one of the largest framed sets at a average frame of 5.9 combined with a WDA of 3.3 to boot and mine won't be "big enough". Ah, the dicotomies of the show ring. oh and the reason I know exactly what my bulls giong have for bark is we scanned em last friday. The show ring is theoretically about producing cattle for the real world. In the real world, whether it be the cow calf producer or packer there is no demand for excessively fat cattle. Bulls should be disqualified from shows if they would not at least grade a yield grade 2.
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Post by randy on Jan 7, 2015 11:14:25 GMT -6
Zansibar...TOO FUNNY.. Oh wow ... Last time I was in there was the year Titan won... It was full of "cowgirls" looking for the "$perfect$" ranch cowboy. I hear it now has a Hot Tub installed in the center. That could make for a interesting night with a wild bunch of ranch cowboys...lol
Is the Stouffers Denver Inn still in operation? That place was packed with the rodeo crowd and was a ton of fun.....
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Post by picketwire on Jan 19, 2015 15:08:22 GMT -6
I choose to kick this thread up to comment on what I saw on my very very short visit in the yards. Saw some good honest well represented industry cattle in the middle of a truly sickening FANTASYLAND!!
Of this I am confident, there are herds very capable of continuing to earn market share in the beef industry, but those looking for them HAD BETTER ENDEAVOR TO LEARN HOW TO EVALUATE FOR THEMSELVES AND IGNORE SHOW PLACINGS. Saw alot of things in some pens/carloads that have the potential to set this breed back faster that the dwarves ever did, but also saw some that can take this breed closer to ever increasing market share. Each interested individual will have to learn how to interpret exactly what it is they want and how to obtain it without relying on anyone other than themselves. Never thought I'd be one to say this, but with what I saw I probably won't be missing the Nwss pen show anytime soon!
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 19, 2015 17:09:35 GMT -6
pretty much summed Denver up TJ
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Post by Glenn on Jan 19, 2015 17:42:02 GMT -6
I'm lost in not missing the pen show. Because it's so good? Or so ridiculous?
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Post by picketwire on Jan 19, 2015 20:44:33 GMT -6
I'm lost in not missing the pen show. Because it's so good? Or so ridiculous? Because apparently next year will be the last one. At least that is my understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 20:55:41 GMT -6
Tom, based on the placings, you and Gus are raising the right kind of cattle.
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 19, 2015 21:59:28 GMT -6
quote author=" Glenn" source="/post/24240/thread" timestamp="1421710922"]I'm lost in not missing the pen show. Because it's so good? Or so ridiculous?[/quote] ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in my case got my ass smoked by two sets of bulls that were considerably lighter weight, were sub 5 frame, had 3X the BW, couldn't come close to landing their back feet in their front feet tracks, so narrow thru the chest their front feet could fit in the same post hole save the fact that they were too splay footed to fit them in and were toad ass fat. but then again I didn't have a +40 CHB index for Bennett and were not cuddly cool clubbie lookin' enough for Ronnie. but then again I guess I was in good company, since Middlesworths, both Douthits, Freddie, Brock Nichols, Mike Nolles, B&D, Davis's, Dave Breiner and Pawlitza all got freight-trained too. not a real good picture of my bulls but anyway............... monday morning, Gus Gustafson's granddaughter Tiava, while Gus was working outa my display pen in the "Yards" till he could move on the "Hill" Tueday morning
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