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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 14:37:42 GMT -6
Twice in about the last 10 days i thought I was hearing things. Neighbor and hunter said they seen a pair of wolves a few days ago. Just figured it was someone's dogs. Then this am I was hauling some cows north a few miles and seen a whole big herd of muleys moving kinda southeast and probably a half mile behind them was a couple canines anyhow. Wasn't close enough to tell and no gun or scopes. Made me think back this summer hayed some of our neighbors crp that has been in that deal since late 80 ' s and found what I just assumed was a coyote den... sure hope that's what it was anyhow. Gonna set up old traps on it asap.
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Post by randy on Nov 20, 2014 15:29:14 GMT -6
Shoot Shovel and Shut Up!!!!
Bacon Grease on Sea Sponge pieces?...Whats that all all about?...hmmmm
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Post by larso on Nov 20, 2014 22:20:02 GMT -6
Fair dinkum!! All we have to worry about are kangaroos and brown snakes.
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Post by hoekland on Nov 21, 2014 0:10:38 GMT -6
Found three caracal in the stubble field where my poll herd has calved, they usually are solitary animals to find three together is unheard of. I heard a rumour that someone had set traps just the other side of the fenceline (where my calves can't get to)but it is as yet unconfirmed...
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Post by larso on Nov 21, 2014 0:42:21 GMT -6
Are they a big problem hoekland, cause looking at them on the web they don't look like the sort of creature you would want around calving time?
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Post by shumakerherefords on Nov 21, 2014 11:25:11 GMT -6
In extreme northeast Kansas we have a cougar problem. Just about every fall some hunter's trail cam captures a photo. There are several breeding populations in Nebraska and the excess is migrating south. Last year for the first time Nebraska opened a cougar hunting season. outdoornebraska.gov/hunting/guides/MountainLion/Over the years I have lost at least 2 calves under very suspicious circumstances and I have seen cougar kittens but never an adult. Rumor has it that a few miles away the problem was so severe that a professional hunter was hired and he killed 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:53:25 GMT -6
Seen a dark wolf several years ago about 8 miles se of here several years ago. Just hope it never gets to be a problem. But starting to see stuff around never did but I guess we're long time ago. Odd mountain lion lived an old abandoned house on winter ground several years ago. Neighbor across the fence on river has grizzly bear year round but never seen them on our side of the fence.
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Post by quackingduck on Nov 21, 2014 20:16:39 GMT -6
Good fence.
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Post by hoekland on Nov 22, 2014 6:49:43 GMT -6
Are they a big problem hoekland, cause looking at them on the web they don't look like the sort of creature you would want around calving time? They are a huge problem with sheep, not so much with cattle, but as you said I wouldn't want them around at calving time as they will take the opportunity if its presented, the potentially bigger problem is leopards, but so far I've been lucky. The big danger is when a females teaches the cubs to hunt, they've killed 37 sheep in one night at my neighbour's. |
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Post by tartancowgirl on Nov 22, 2014 15:04:38 GMT -6
Goodness, this makes any problems we have here seem very unimportant! There has been mention of a move to reintroduce wolves to the Highlands of Scotland - I love wildlife films of wolves and big cats but I'm not sure I'd want them in our backyard!
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Post by oahereford on Nov 23, 2014 6:44:18 GMT -6
Goodness, this makes any problems we have here seem very unimportant! There has been mention of a move to reintroduce wolves to the Highlands of Scotland - I love wildlife films of wolves and big cats but I'm not sure I'd want them in our backyard! We got some. How about a beginners package? 10 wolves, 10 bears, 10 lynx and some wolverines as a bonus. This year only four calves gone to wolves at this area. (Not many wolves at the moment). Lots of bears and lynx. They are not as harmful as wolves. Our predator population is growing like weeds and probably in the future problems will explode because all the moose are gone. |
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Post by tartancowgirl on Nov 25, 2014 11:47:10 GMT -6
Oh dear, no thank you oahereford! Where do you live? It's bad enough here with dog attacks, especially near towns.
Even in UK, where we eliminated all our wild predators many years ago, there is conflict between farmers and people who think that the countryside belongs to wildlife. The main problems are with badgers, which are protected, because of the spread of bovine TB. However there are new problems in parts of Scotland because of the re-introduction of the Sea Eagle - seems they thought they ate fish but unfortunately they like lambs just as much! I don't know how you can protect your stock against large predators like wolves and big cats.
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Post by shumakerherefords on Dec 5, 2014 7:45:46 GMT -6
Here is a study that concluded that killing wolves leads to more livestock deaths motherboard.vice.com/read/killing-wolves-leads-to-more-livestock-deaths. Although it states “The only way you’re going to completely eliminate livestock depredations is to get rid of all the wolves,” he said in the WSU statement, “and society has told us that that’s not going to happen.” |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 9:32:39 GMT -6
I read that the other day. So if society says that won't happen why do livestock producers have to be the ones to pay for it. Make the advocates for wolves pony up for it. I remember the the first year I could buy predation insurance in mt. Our state could pay premium for stated value. I could insure them for whatever I wanted. I elected to pay premium on 1500 per head. So if a coyote killed a baby calf that's what I got. Didn't take but 2 years for my insurance to decide they didn't want to be in that biz as they adjusted the premiums and deductibles per incident so wasn't worth it. My point... if wolf advocates had to share the costs how long before they loose interest?
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Post by shumakerherefords on Dec 5, 2014 17:33:26 GMT -6
That is a great idea but do you have a solution for how to get them to pay up?
Kansas has a "chickadee checkoff" on the state tax return. Maybe Montana could have a wolf checkoff. If not enough funds were collected to pay for livestock deaths then it is open season on wolves.
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 5, 2014 22:43:08 GMT -6
according to the boys down on Davis creek, there is a new improved breed of coyote running around in the hills, one about halfway in size between the yote's we have had forever and a wolf. big enough to drag down a full grown doe in good health on a dead run all on it's own. unfortunately Gustafson only had a pistol in the tractor when he saw that happen and it was way too long a shot to hit it when the yote took off away from him once he got outa the tractor to thump it. however 2 were shot further down on Davis Creek by Gus's nephew and the Kansas Wildlife and Parks boys showed up to confiscate em even though they hadn't been called---trackers implanted in them, that how they knew were they were and that they had been killed.
so we now got transplanted super-coyotes. Fish and Game denies it, but they denied reintroducing Rio Grande Turkeys in the early 80's and then later admitted it, Antalope in Western Kansas in the late 80's and later admitted it, that there were less 30 or so elk transplanted onto Fort Riley till a a feller got a picture of over 600 of em grazing on his alfalfa field right next to the post and then admitted it and still deny introducing cougars although nobody alive in this state ever saw em here till the last 12 years or so.
the general rumor is that because 68% of all the vehicular accidents in this state are deer related the Fish and Game boys are trying to get em under control via a preditor system before the state gets sued by the isnurance companies. don't know if thats true or not but I do know you can't trust the bunny huggers at KS wildlife, Parks and Tourism.
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 5, 2014 22:52:21 GMT -6
Goodness, this makes any problems we have here seem very unimportant! There has been mention of a move to reintroduce wolves to the Highlands of Scotland - I love wildlife films of wolves and big cats but I'm not sure I'd want them in our backyard! there is a reason that the prairie wolf and the prairie grizzly had become extinct in the southern plains by the time my great granddad was born. |
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 5, 2014 23:11:09 GMT -6
Oh dear, no thank you oahereford! Where do you live? It's bad enough here with dog attacks, especially near towns. Even in UK, where we eliminated all our wild predators many years ago, there is conflict between farmers and people who think that the countryside belongs to wildlife. The main problems are with badgers, which are protected, because of the spread of bovine TB. However there are new problems in parts of Scotland because of the re-introduction of the Sea Eagle - seems they thought they ate fish but unfortunately they like lambs just as much! I don't know how you can protect your stock against large predators like wolves and big cats. well my kilted lassie, since we are blessed to live in a country where we still have the right to bear arms, thats why most of the folks I know carry a rifle or pistol in the pickup pretty much all the time----we shoot em. them badgers are tough SOB's. amazing how they can did a den hole right in the middle of the township road here in this part of the country and do it damn quick to boot. the easiest way we found to get rid of em is when were putting anhydrous on the wheat ground you just stop by any new badger holes, drop the tank hose into the hole and gas em. ran over one with a pickup one time in a stubble field, he just got up and snarled at me, so he came to a more permenant demise via Mister Smith and Mister Wesson's rendition of Elmer Keith's greatest wildcat turned mainstream........... .357 Magnum |
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Post by tartancowgirl on Dec 7, 2014 18:15:31 GMT -6
Bookcliff there are folk here who say that a lot of "road kill" dead badgers actually died another way....But we also have a lot of people who are very fond of them - in some parts of the south west it's almost war between farmers and "badger huggers", some of whom are very media savvy. I suppose you have the same conflict.
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Post by oahereford on Dec 8, 2014 0:14:52 GMT -6
Bookcliff there are folk here who say that a lot of "road kill" dead badgers actually died another way....But we also have a lot of people who are very fond of them - in some parts of the south west it's almost war between farmers and "badger huggers", some of whom are very media savvy. I suppose you have the same conflict. a Badger can destroy buildings by digging very easily. I've hunted many of them under houses with my terrier. Is it the TB the main reason for badger wars? |
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 8, 2014 12:39:54 GMT -6
here it's primarily about what all they tear up.
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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 16, 2014 12:35:55 GMT -6
For those who have predation or suspected predation problems, how do you manage cows that might have had calves killed or stolen?
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 16, 2014 12:46:04 GMT -6
same old system--she don't have a calf on her when she goes to grass, she goes to town.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 15:04:05 GMT -6
Yep, they work for us, not the other way around.
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Post by picketwire on Dec 17, 2014 13:59:40 GMT -6
Doesn't take much natural selection to allow for cows that can be calm and workable and yet still protect a newborn calf for the first 24 hours. Wish we would have got a picture of prime evidence years ago of the benefit of motherhood and a homegrown headache rack. I will say this, you could definitely see the pride in that cows eyes as she wore the remnants of her trophy!!
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