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Post by btlrupert on Sept 12, 2014 19:54:06 GMT -6
I appreciate so much the linebred cattle herds that exist in many breeds. The thought today crossed my mind is there a "modern non-linebred" Hereford/polled or horned bull that a man could tie to and develop a linebred herd from?? I thought of one possibility but keeping it to myself for a few days.. Thoughts anyone? Steve
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Post by mrvictordomino on Sept 12, 2014 20:57:30 GMT -6
I'm sure there are bulls out there that would qualify for a line breeding project. Only problem I see is that it takes so much time and numbers to make a project like that happen and at my age, I would never see the fruits of my labor if I were starting from scratch. The few line bred bloodlines today are the result of work done by several generations of families continuing a program. Would nice to be twenty again and know what I know now!  |
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Post by kclark on Sept 12, 2014 21:11:05 GMT -6
I haven't used 719t but would put him on the short list of polls to consider. Like the offspring I've seen and like the calving ease. His carcass ratios aren't the best. TK could probably provide kill floor data.
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Post by strojanherefords on Sept 13, 2014 9:41:40 GMT -6
I do not think I would look for a specific bull to line breed around. I think it is important to line breed back to the cows that prove themselves top quality. I believe saving calves out of old cows is the best way to eliminate genetic defects and maintain genetic diversity. I
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Post by George on Sept 13, 2014 10:33:23 GMT -6
I appreciate so much the linebred cattle herds that exist in many breeds. The thought today crossed my mind is there a "modern non-linebred" Hereford/polled or horned bull that a man could tie to and develop a linebred herd from?? I thought of one possibility but keeping it to myself for a few days.. Thoughts anyone? Steve There are quite a few "modern" bulls that come to my mind as worthy projects, but I guess all would have some degree of linebreeding close up in their pedigree. |
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Post by bookcliff on Sept 14, 2014 15:15:10 GMT -6
I haven't used 719t but would put him on the short list of polls to consider. Like the offspring I've seen and like the calving ease. His carcass ratios aren't the best. TK could probably provide kill floor data. you won't see me using any more of him here, one shot or otherwise beyond the handful i've already got. |
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Post by btlrupert on Sept 14, 2014 19:06:05 GMT -6
The non- linebred bull I was pondering was THM Durango 4037... The cows I have seen are very balanced and functional... Seem to be very useful cattle... My concern was the top side of the pedigree... Being Remittal .... That may be my southern bias to Victor Domino cattle... Like to hear other folks observation.. Thx.
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Post by fivestarherefords on Sept 14, 2014 19:42:21 GMT -6
The non- linebred bull I was pondering was THM Durango 4037... The cows I have seen are very balanced and functional... Seem to be very useful cattle... My concern was the top side of the pedigree... Being Remittal .... That may be my southern bias to Victor Domino cattle... Like to hear other folks observation.. Thx. Most of the Durangos I've seen have been very small framed. |
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Post by timbernt on Sept 14, 2014 19:44:17 GMT -6
Why in the world would you knowingly linebreed to a bull with no value to the commercial industry. If you are just playing you should include the word hobby in your farm name.
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Post by btlrupert on Sept 14, 2014 19:49:00 GMT -6
Not playing.... Have owned cattle for 34 years... Why don't they work in your area? NJW has ownership now and that's no hobby farm...
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Post by btlrupert on Sept 14, 2014 19:54:38 GMT -6
Not playing.... Have owned cattle for 34 years... Why don't they work in your area? NJW has ownership now and that's no hobby farm...
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Post by timbernt on Sept 14, 2014 20:00:39 GMT -6
Maybe so. Doesn't mean it is right. You need to give commercial men a reason to use Hereford genetics. The dinks like 4037 don't. Before you take this personally, I am 57 years old and have spent most of those years watching prominent Hereford breeders breed cattle of little value to commercial men. Ward has lots of company. Doesn't mean you have to be one of them.
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Post by btlrupert on Sept 14, 2014 20:15:26 GMT -6
Not personal at all friend. Not even planning on doing that... Just was pondering the question.. My herd currently consist of cows of Plato Rupert breeding. These are Trask based genetics. In a perfect world and if I was 18 again, would love to blend some Nash/Deewall and JMS Victors with them... That would be my goal and I think a great blend. Still at 52 , I plan to do it anyway.. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Hate to live to 100 and say I had 48 years left.. love to hear others thoughts on the Durango cattle or thoughts on my true breeding plan and direction.. |
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Post by George on Sept 15, 2014 7:44:25 GMT -6
Linebreed CRR 719 CATAPULT 109. Get 719T and Durango in one package!
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Post by fivestarherefords on Sept 15, 2014 8:04:36 GMT -6
Linebreed CRR 719 CATAPULT 109. Get 719T and Durango in one package! Sounds like the perfect train wreck! Would be entertaining to watch. |
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Post by George on Sept 15, 2014 13:06:11 GMT -6
Linebreed CRR 719 CATAPULT 109. Get 719T and Durango in one package! Sounds like the perfect train wreck! Would be entertaining to watch. I kinda like Catapult, based on the early results. Time will tell. |
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Post by fivestarherefords on Sept 15, 2014 14:27:09 GMT -6
Sounds like the perfect train wreck! Would be entertaining to watch. I kinda like Catapult, based on the early results. Time will tell. I'm not sure I would line breed to a bull until time has told! |
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Post by George on Sept 15, 2014 14:42:59 GMT -6
I kinda like Catapult, based on the early results. Time will tell. I'm not sure I would line breed to a bull until time has told! My first remark about linebreeding CATAPULT was meant to be a facetious retort to the direction this thread has gone. While I do like Catapult's early results as a sire, I almost never use a bull, much less even think about him as a "bull to linebreed" until he has a number of daughters in production. So, I think your reservation of not linebreeding to a bull, until the "proof of worthiness" is there, is very sound. |
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Post by btlrupert on Sept 15, 2014 18:49:04 GMT -6
I won't be facetious either but I did jokingly think of old days of Rattle and Snaps KLC RB3 Perfection bull at lunch as i saw the threads come in.. The infamous "green" papered cattle if I remember correctly. I saw him at the first futurity. Seems to me he stood 3 or so and looked like a giraffe. I'll take the bulls we have today to select from vs the majority of the popular bulls then. . My thanks to those who have dedicated a lifetime to line breeding great herds.
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Post by moon on Sept 17, 2014 15:51:37 GMT -6
Reading through this thread made me recall several master breeders who started and/or achieved success with Herefords late in life such as Robert H. Hazlett who did not purchase his first Herefords until age 51 in early 1898 and charted a course which made Hereford history until his death shortly after the 1936 Chicago International. His herd's dispersal in 1937 was the foundation for many famous herds including Turner Ranch. The impact his herd made continued well into the 50' and 60's. Another is Ferry Carpenter. I am sure each of you can name many others who did not let age deter them from starting new projects.
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Post by jayh on Sept 17, 2014 15:53:56 GMT -6
Reading through this thread made me recall several master breeders who started and/or achieved success with Herefords late in life such as Robert H. Hazlett who did not purchase his first Herefords until age 51 in early 1898 and charted a course which made Hereford history until his death shortly after the 1936 Chicago International. His herd's dispersal in 1937 was the foundation for many famous herds including Turner Ranch. The impact his herd made continued well into the 50' and 60's. Another is Ferry Carpenter. I am sure each of you can name many others who did not let age deter them from starting new projects. Yep leaders not followers. |
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