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Post by Glenn on Jul 7, 2014 13:45:05 GMT -6
Larry certainly as the Frank Sinatra classic went "Did it his way!" Guys like Ace and some others have talked about ditching the AHA and going it alone. Larry ditched the AAA and went it alone and was very successful and in fact had the AAA through Tom Burke begging him to come back and offering to go back through his records and re-register all his cattle.
Larry Leonhardt = Shoshone Angus
RIP Larry!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 16:09:14 GMT -6
I have much respect for this man. He was a true cowman. Rip Larry...
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Post by George on Jul 7, 2014 16:26:45 GMT -6
I have much respect for this man. He was a true cowman. Rip Larry... Amen! RIP Larry - may your pastures in heaven be lush and your cattle linebred! |
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Post by pwbedy on Jul 7, 2014 17:35:33 GMT -6
Definitely a brave man & I do have2 admit the AHA is out of control & totally getting away from doing what's good 4the breeders & maybe we do NEED a NEW Hereford Association! I can't count how many Hereford Breeders went commercial because they couldn't get along with the AHA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 22:45:13 GMT -6
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Post by Glenn on Jul 9, 2014 7:04:57 GMT -6
Seedstock breeder returns to methods from the past
There was a time when Larry Leonhardt's Shoshone Angus Ranch at the top of Wyoming was a destination for beef producers seeking the hottest bulls of the day.
Through the right connections back in the 1960's and 70's, he acquired some of the desired Wye Plantation bulls and began to breed and sell the progeny from his operation around Cowley.
"We did well and sold a lot of high-priced cattle", Leonhardt recalls.
"I made a lot of money breeding trait leaders. But by the end of the 1970's, I saw the cows were gettng bigger and bigger", he says.
"The good cows weren't leaving good daughters. I was looking at my cows and seeing the biggest cows had the smallest calves. I also
thought I must be the worst bull buyer in the world because I run all over
and pay ridiculous prices, and invariably I'm disappointed with the calves-
especially the females", he adds.
Like many others, Leonhardt began to question the wisdom of bigger-must-be better thinking. This kind of breeding had become a contest rather than a focused purpose, he says.
"I thought, 'this is crazy. We're trying to take a bulldog and make
it run like a greyhound'", Leonhardt remembers.
SETTING NEW GOALS
As he began rethinking his purposes, he determinded: "First we have to
have function, and a cow's function is processing forage. I thought about how we need lines the commercial industry can take and use to
profitably to produce beef, not just more beef."
Leonhardt says he went through several years of intense study and re-evaluated his goals.He considered what options could successfully reverse the direction he had taken. He also began seriously doubting the
still-prevalent concept that hybridization could be achieved within
a breed by lining up expected progeny differences and other numbers
and mating cattle that are unrelated or outside the normal range for
certain traits.
He also came to believe that "using the top to bring up the bottom"
leads to unending, problematic cycles of change.
"Hybrids tend to outproduce purebred parents, but there's less
repeatability," Leonhardt explains. "I decided I was going to breed
for three things in separate line: carcass, performance and maternal
traits. It took a long time for me to decide how much cow I want," he
adds, "And there is no cow that will work everywhere."
Over time he shucked all the trappings, all the influx of someone
else's genetics, all the measurements and the paperwork. His primary
focus became maternal lineage. Then Leonhardt began with what
he had, knowing that inbreeding was the quickest way to fix some
traits, and fully aware that it would make or break his program.
As a farmer, Leonhardt says he thought about the way hybrid plant lines
were produced. "I asked myself, 'Why do they have the inbred plant lines?' The answer is 'to control the traits and harness hybrid power.'
"And I thought, 'Shouldn't there be some consistency and reliability of
traits for a breed, other than just color?" he says.
LEARNING FROM OTHERS
He decided to breed for "functional purity that breeds true for characteristics." He wanted good conception, fertility, mothering ability,
decent udders, longevity and freedom from other unmeasured
problems. He sought out old-time breeders and learned from them.
"The purebred business is a con-artists paradise", Leonhardt says.
"I decided I'm just going to breed cattle for myself--that you just
can't successfully breed for everybody."
Leonhardt selects the bulls and cows he likes, knowing they are
all related, and pasture breeds them. He doesn't worry about all the
details, but he focuses on the traits he wants and on moderation
and symmetry.
"If someone says to me, 'That's a nice, long animal', I think I
better shorten him up a bit.'"
Anything that doesn't fit is removed. Over the years Leonhardt
has culled less and less.
He sells about 250 bulls a year, nearly all to commercial beef
producers and all without advertisment.
"When I was changing everything, I thought no one would buy these
closely bred, lower EPD bulls," he says.
But a strange thing happened along the way. As he selected for the
kind of cow he wanted--the moderate, well balanced cow with good
reproductive traits--he got good bulls. They became more masculine, more "boss", more trouble-free and more alike.
FINDING REAL VALUE
Leonhardt says he also began looking at the energy dollars going into
his herd--the amount of money he spent maintaining it--and he
learned that his moderate cattle were just as profitable as the big-bodied
big dollar cattle he once raised. The difference was he spent less,
took in less and made about the same profit with fewer hassles
and problems.
Commercial beef producers saw the value.
"My customers don't spend all their profits on buying bulls from
me now," Leondardt says.
"I've had people say, 'Larry, I admire what you are doing, but I
can't afford to do that.' I ask them why," he says.
"If you spend $50,000 on a bull, you have to earn $50,000
on his progeny. If you don't spend more than you make, you
can do anything you want."
Leonhardt adds, "My customers don't need papers filled with
costly measures. They need to know what my bulls will and will
not do."
CREATING HIS VISION
Where the undercurrent flows beneath the hype of the purebred industry,
Leonhardt's thinking has made him somewhat of a legend. Read a few
chat theads about beef breeding on the Internet and Leonhardt's name
will invariably pop up, along with Jim Lents and a few others.
But Leonhardt says he's really not interested in all that.
"I didn't do this to become famous," he says. "I just did it because
I'm a farmer and I know what they do in the plant world, and I
figured out how I could apply that to my beef cattle."
Moreover, Leonhardt's vision for the industry harkens back to the
old-time model of regionally distributed seedstock, sold to
commercial producers so they can have environmentally adapted
parents for whatever breeding scheme they find most profitable.
"As a purebred industry, we lack the more specific parent stock
the commercial producer needs," Leonhardt says. "I really want the
industry to breed strains for specific purposes, If we had more prepotent
and specific strains, the commercial producer could go pick out the cattle
with the traits he needs to produce the product he gets paid for--
with greater reliability."
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Post by larso on Jul 9, 2014 15:17:27 GMT -6
A very interesting post Glen. I tried to link onto the link that Randy put up but it wouldn't allow me to, is there any other material, stories or information you know about him that we could chase up.
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Post by mrvictordomino on Jul 15, 2014 22:26:32 GMT -6
Had the oppurtunity to meet Mr. Leonhardt during the summer of 2012. Visited with him at his Red Lodge, MT location. A very nice man who could really
go deep in talking genetics. I sometimes have to reread some of his posts on KC to let some of the information sink in. He will be missed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 7:30:44 GMT -6
He was a great cattleman, no matter what breed. We can all learn from his comments and how he went about breeding cattle. Thanks for posting this Glenn. Needing to go to a funeral this morning and thought I would catch up a little. Glad I did.
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Post by picketwire on Jul 18, 2014 18:45:26 GMT -6
He will be missed. It is a shame that there are not more breeders out there with his ability as well as his thought process. That is what all breeds need more of.
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Post by kent on May 27, 2015 12:53:36 GMT -6
Thanks Glenn for posting this. The first time I met Larry, I went to see him in Cowley. I went with the hired hand to look through the cows at Red Lodge while he changed the water blocks. I came back with a list of the "best" calves. He looked at the list and said, "You can pick the big ones". He was right. While my process was much more detailed, the results were the same. I went home with a pile of literature to read with my tail between my legs. I thought I really was something and was put in my place. He didn't put me there, I put myself there. All my training was a shallow, worthless joke. I spent the next 10 years breeding and observing cattle while reading my pile of publications. Larry was one of the primary shapers of my cattle breeding and management paradigm.
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Post by mrvictordomino on May 28, 2015 6:34:00 GMT -6
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