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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2014 11:25:44 GMT -6
I follow an Angus message board to keep a pulse on what is going on in that world.
THE ANGUS FOLKS ARE SCARED.
But it is not fear of HEREFORDS. Hell HEREFORDS aren't even on their radar.
What they seem to be afraid of is:
1. Imported Brazilian beef.
2. Wagyus
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Post by jerseymike on Feb 5, 2014 14:09:32 GMT -6
Well my first thought was injuries and fences.
I would think the Brazilian beef should concern everyone. Wagyus I can see cause there is actually a difference in the meat rather than the imaginary difference that the AA tells people there is between say hereford and angus beef.
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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2014 14:35:25 GMT -6
I agree about the Brazilian beef. That could be a game changer. Everybody is high fiving, and hooting and hollering, living large with $1.40 fats, $2.25 calves, and $1.00 cull cows and $7,000 bull sales. That could very easily be cut in half (OR MORE!) in no time. The rancher has ZERO political clout unlike the cornholios and they'll sell us down the river faster than you can blink an eye.
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Post by shumakerherefords on Feb 5, 2014 15:07:55 GMT -6
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Post by Glenn on Feb 5, 2014 15:15:29 GMT -6
Well my first thought was injuries and fences. BTW, that is CLASSIC. Should go in the HT Hall of Fame! |
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Post by Trailmaster on Feb 5, 2014 16:28:22 GMT -6
I bet feedlot brisket is torwards the top of their worry list. And how to keep the lid on how big a problem they have with it.
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Post by bookcliff on Feb 5, 2014 18:24:23 GMT -6
I bet feedlot brisket is torwards the top of their worry list. And how to keep the lid on how big a problem they have with it. i've heard it goes back to 6807 genetics |
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Post by Trailmaster on Feb 5, 2014 19:21:04 GMT -6
I bet feedlot brisket is torwards the top of their worry list. And how to keep the lid on how big a problem they have with it. i've heard it goes back to 6807 genetics I know Traveler is the kiss of death at high altitude. I've heard some do think this feedlot brisket goes back to him also. It seems like I'm hearing about more and more people having problems all the time. One guy said he's been having yearling heifers literaly falling over dead. The vet that does my PAP testing told me a couple years ago it was going to blow up and when it does it will make all the defects they're having looks like small potatoes. Most of the time its steers that are just about finished that get it. One guy from South Dakota said about the time he had all the money into them and it was about payday that's when they die. Made me wonder if this was why they ran that article in HT about Brisket and Herefords being less susceptible to it. |
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Post by picketwire on Feb 6, 2014 13:47:28 GMT -6
23-4 was as bad as 6807 as far as brisket goes, but those are not the only two that are horrible but probably the two most popular that are horrible. There were a few sons of 23-4 that were OK but not anything to rely upon for high altitude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 13:59:53 GMT -6
Cornholios?? Love it
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Post by bookcliff on Feb 7, 2014 11:31:39 GMT -6
you know, back when I was a kid on the western slope it didn't seem to be a problem but then again everything was a whiteface running those forest service and BLM leases back then in the bookcliff's, the monument mesa and up by Colburn and Rio Blanco where dad summered cows.
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Post by Trailmaster on Feb 7, 2014 12:35:51 GMT -6
you know, back when I was a kid on the western slope it didn't seem to be a problem but then again everything was a whiteface running those forest service and BLM leases back then in the bookcliff's, the monument mesa and up by Colburn and Rio Blanco where dad summered cows. Most cattle won't have brisket problems that low. But I'm sure some Angus would. lol |
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Post by bookcliff on Feb 7, 2014 17:16:29 GMT -6
you know, back when I was a kid on the western slope it didn't seem to be a problem but then again everything was a whiteface running those forest service and BLM leases back then in the bookcliff's, the monument mesa and up by Colburn and Rio Blanco where dad summered cows. Most cattle won't have brisket problems that low. But I'm sure some Angus would. lol yea, colburn is only 5500,rio blanco is 66 or 6700, the bookcliffs are 6600. I don't remember Whitey of Jitter ever talking about it though as a kid and they were running at alot higher altitudes than dad did. but once again back then everything was a hereford on the western slope. from what I undersatnd EXT's are some of the few that PAP..........lovely. a good friend of dad's who used to lease some of his summer grass to dad up the basin from rio blanco told me about 9 ro 10 of years ago when I was out there to watch the the sheep dog trials he ran Angus bulls for one year, 2 of the 4 of em died from brisket before the breeding season was over, went back to running hereford bulls. |
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Post by shumakerherefords on Feb 7, 2014 18:57:36 GMT -6
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Post by Trailmaster on Apr 18, 2014 7:27:53 GMT -6
I thought this was interesting. According to Dr. Holt… high altitude (brisket) disease is no longer just a problem for high-elevation ranchers. I was surprised to learn that it recently surpassed respiratory diseases as the number one killer of cattle in Nebraska feedlots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 11:07:58 GMT -6
Just some thoughts here...
#1- JR Simplot Co in Grandview, Idaho is feeding some South American cattle.(shipped approx 6000 miles) I hear from the boys in the bunkhouse now and then. They say it is pretty good eating. HMMM? It would be interesting what $$ they have in those cattle when they hit the rail. I guarantee Simplot does not play many games in which they do not make a good margin. They say the SA cattle really do well on steam flaked corn and cull french fries.
#2-Wagyu... Hmmm... Bob Rebholtz/ Bob Rebholtz jr. (Agri-Beef) have been playing that game a long time. Sure the meat is heavenly to eat, but the cattle? hmmm... That is an entire other aspect. The downside of running a cowherd with this influence is astounding. Some are making it work well. It will not work for everyone.
#3-Brisket Disease... We have seen it here in the nephew's blacks. My nephew had a 22 month old Angus bull tip upside down .... a Kodiak 5R out of a Thunder daughter..... vet posted him for insurance..... brisket it was.
#4- Some of the Angus folks here seem to think black will cover everything. Many keeping all bull calves that will walk into a sale ring. Selling bulls as "commercial bulls" because they are a carrier. ETC ETC ETC.
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Post by Glenn on Apr 18, 2014 11:14:51 GMT -6
That is an amazing thought that they could ship cattle that far (via ship and rail (i suppose)) and not have an absolute fortune tied up in them. And what is the shrink on an animal shipped that far?  For once high priced diesel might be a friend of the rancher. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 13:24:29 GMT -6
That is an amazing thought that they could ship cattle that far (via ship and rail (i suppose)) and not have an absolute fortune tied up in them. And what is the shrink on an animal shipped that far? For once high priced diesel might be a friend of the rancher. Glenn, I had heard that the cattle were being paid for on a live delivered basis. Thus no shrink and no freight bill. I will look into that next time I get to visit with one of their reps. I will will also look into how the cattle are being owned. They do include custom feeding cattle along with company cattle. |
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For once high priced diesel might be a friend of the rancher.