Our Government - gotta love em

[Glenn]

E85 vs Regular Unleaded Gasoline

Edmund's did a study on this, see link below, with a 667 mile round trip road loop, Chev Tahoe LT.
Results summary:
E85 had 26.5% worse fuel economy, 13.5 mpg versus 18.3 mpg
E85 had 0.5% better CO2 emissions, 703.1 pounds versus 706.5 pounds
It's unbelievable that Congress has legislated this malarkey, and EPA enforces it. Food prices have skyrocketed ($7 corn). Nothing has been gained. The net effect is definitely a loss to Americans (except for Big Food and USDA).
At $3.75 gasoline price, you would need $2.76 E85 price to break even in cost at a 26.5% fuel economy hit. E85 is currently selling at about a 40 cent discount to regular unleaded, so why anyone would fill up with this stuff is a complete mystery.

Edmund's E85 study

www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/e85-vs-gasoline-comparison-test.html

Oh, by the way, when you factor in the CO2 emissions from plowing, harvesting, moving the corn to ethanol plants and transporting the ethanol to be blended with gasoline, the CO2 emissions from an E85 driven vehicle would be substantially worse than just using regular unleaded.

[dougthorson]

I have said it before and I will keep saying it.

Ethanol is the reason the US Governmernt lost control of its cheap food policy it had since the Cival War. Temporarily it has hurt the cattle market but not nearly as much as cheap corn turned into more chicken and pork would have. Within 5 years we will see a year of $2.00 fat cattle with corn at $4.50.

[dougthorson]

Add on, anyone who thinks the US Government can fix a problem hasn't been paying attention for the last 40 years. All they are capable of doing is move a problem from one place to another, thus energy policy has turned into a food problem. I have no problem with it. There are several thousand more people in this world than when I started typing and they all need to eat. The american ag sector is in a better position than it ever has been. In the near future ag may well make more money than oil.

[Glenn]

>>>In the near future ag may well make more money than oil.<<<


I hope so.

My point is I want Big Brother OUT of all ag, not just corn. No money from Uncle Sammy for anything whether it be direct payments or fiat dictates that screw the market up.

[Glenn]

LMAO.....Edmunds is a big car company....not me.....not an oil company.....not a corn lobby.....I'm sure you don't like it because it shows what a farce the whole deal is.......why don't you run off and find some silly propaganda put out by the corn lobby that tells how great ethanol is and how it doesn't ruin engines and gets the same gas mileage......LMAO....the mandate is a fucking joke but you just don't want anybody to take it away because you benefit so much from it......please take off your blinders....

[Glenn]

My PM to you was to try to get you to drop the arguing. The fact remains if it was a "good idea" then the government would not need to MANDATE it. As it is it is just another tax on society and is personally distasteful to me because it distorts the cattle market.

But I know it was too much to expect a government titty sucker to give up the nipple. My bad.

[Glenn]

The MANDATE is still there, idiot. Are you forking stupid. THE GOVERNMENT MANDATES A CERTAIN percent of our fuel supply must be ethanol.

You are being totally deceitful in trying to say the subsidy is gone. The tax credit for blending is gone but the EPA still MANDATES (do you know what that means???) that a certain percentage of all fuel be renewable.

Jeesh......I expected better out of you than that.....

[Glenn]

If it can stand on it's feet remove the MANDATE and any credits or subsidies!!!!

[Glenn]

Since the government is so sage in MANDATING ethanol in our fuel, we as Hereford breeders should call on government to MANDATE that 10% of all beef sold in the US should be HEREFORD beef.....

[Glenn]

Yeah, well, I feel pretty strongly about the stupidity of the whole program. In my eyes, it's pretty logical that if ethanol as fuel were a good idea the market would embrace it. The only reason it exists is because of a government mandate. Remove the government mandate and see what happens.

I guess government mandates are the way to go? Hell, I just need the government to mandate that (pull some number out of your ass) 1% of all Tax Returns must be prepared by Flatlander, CPA...

or 25% of all beef consumed in the USA must be Hereford origin.

or Consumer's diets must be 20% beef.


So silly. So if you are of the mind that government mandates are good and right and just then my "names" I called you seem pretty apt to me...

if the shoe fits.....

[Glenn]

With you? Um, yeah...