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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 2, 2012 15:43:13 GMT -6
We ai'd some cows and heifers this morning to revolution,about time, cl1 domino and sealy 504 hope they all took
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Post by George on Jun 3, 2012 12:16:33 GMT -6
We ai'd some cows and heifers this morning to revolution,about time, cl1 domino and sealy 504 hope they all took Which Cooper bull? With Revolution and About Time in the mix, you should get results that show how that Sealy semen is going to work. |
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 4, 2012 9:47:22 GMT -6
Cl1 domino 863u Perry debtor bought this bull in 2010 if I remember right Perry is about an hour away and we have bought cows and heifers from him and he got us this semen we have had two calves off of him and they are oustandong heifers. I can't wait to see the sealy and about time calves.
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Post by S&S Farms on Jun 4, 2012 10:45:58 GMT -6
Curious why you are using so many different sires for breeding. I used to do that but getting a consistant calf crop was hard when you use 4 - 5 AI sires then clean up bulls too. I now use one sire for commercial one for registered and one for all heifers. I still have to many clean up bulls but when you are blessed ith lots of small pastures you use what you have. Next year I hope to solve my clean up problen by using all half brothers. I used to use 4 - 5 different sires on heifers alone. Now that all my phone calls are for straights I dont have to use my Angus straws  |
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 4, 2012 11:24:49 GMT -6
At the time we only have one clean up bull and we use so many is because between me my uncle grandad and cousin we all have different opinion on bulls so we all use different semen on on our cows and heifers
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Post by hoekland on Jun 4, 2012 15:18:01 GMT -6
I agree with Jeff, but I have also made the same mistake in the beginning
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Post by S&S Farms on Jun 4, 2012 16:18:06 GMT -6
Hey that makes since if you are each using different bulls. Sometimes as one owner I fight with myself on which bull to use.
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 4, 2012 18:44:27 GMT -6
Its hard finding a bull that you like and when you do find one, you see another one you like more. Its all confusing when you throw epd's in the mix also
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Post by mrvictordomino on Jun 4, 2012 20:24:37 GMT -6
We ai'd some cows and heifers this morning to revolution,about time, cl1 domino and sealy 504 hope they all took What is Revolution bringing to the table? Have seen many pictures of calves and they seem to be all over the place in reference to consistency....Maybe because he has been used so much on so many different cows. Why the popularity? Just wondering. |
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 4, 2012 20:36:25 GMT -6
This is our first time using him. I hope he adds length and more depth the cows we bred him to lack that
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Post by oakcreekfarm on Jun 5, 2012 8:01:44 GMT -6
Find a bull that produces the phenotype that you are looking for, then cull based on production of the resulting calves. I would throw those EPD's in the trash for awhile. Choose one bull and use him, find a clean up bull that is similarly bred and use him to clean up. Create some consistency, then you can breed to what you want later and use some bulls to adjust EPD's as you need to. Over the past few years the chase to turn our breed into the angus will hasten our downfall. The angus guys are starting to change their direction, but its like the hereford boys to be a day late and a dollar short. We will turn our entire breed into the angus just in time for the commercial man to realize that it isn't what he wants. Never try to gain customer base by offering a similar product to what the customer is running from. It won't work for the long term. Did you ever see a picture of revolution as a calf, or a picture of 2nd revolution? nicht gut! If you go to hereford.org epd search and look him up there are a couple of pictures of him before they started feeding him like a show pig.
I am going to jump off this soap box and hope I don't sprain an ankle on the way down.
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Post by Glenn on Jun 5, 2012 8:13:47 GMT -6
Good advice oakcreek. I think culling is the key to success. You have to identify the phenotype you are looking for and decide what your acceptable performance parameters are and select against all that fail to meet the mark. Within a few years you'll be surprised at the progress that can be made.
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 5, 2012 8:53:54 GMT -6
Thanks for he advice. My grandad and his dad have had our farm.for a long time but they sold everything so here in the past few years we have been gaining back here and there but were getting there slowly but surely. I'm going to this weekend to look at some bred heifers at debtor Herefords
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Post by Glenn on Jun 5, 2012 9:05:59 GMT -6
Did you ever see a picture of revolution as a calf, or a picture of 2nd revolution? nicht gut! If you go to hereford.org epd search and look him up there are a couple of pictures of him before they started feeding him like a show pig. These?   |
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 5, 2012 15:34:17 GMT -6
The first picture doesn't do him any justice he looks like a heifer. Just goes to show what high protein feed will do
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Post by herfdog on Jun 5, 2012 20:55:07 GMT -6
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Post by mrvictordomino on Jun 5, 2012 21:50:17 GMT -6
The first picture doesn't do him any justice he looks like a heifer. Just goes to show what high protein feed will do Kind of what I was getting at...... |
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Post by hoekland on Jun 6, 2012 7:31:38 GMT -6
The first picture doesn't do him any justice he looks like a heifer. Just goes to show what high protein feed will do The question you need to answer for yourself is... If your bull customers, who bought Revolution sons from you, sell calves like that at the salebarn, will they get top dollar or not? |
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Post by herstonfarms on Jun 6, 2012 8:12:34 GMT -6
Thanks hoekland the advice is great I really appreciate it
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Post by candymeadowfarms on Jun 8, 2012 0:20:50 GMT -6
We used Revolution on 5 heifers this time.. 2 Hc's and 3 Bc's... The 2 HC are right at the top of their contemperaries and both have a look about em.. Really nice fronted, thick, and plenty of depth. As for the BC one is outstanding.. Dark red, deep, THICK, very clean fronted and also has a show look.. Another is a really good calf not hardly as clean fronted as the first I described but also tremendous thickness, depth, and plenty of growth.. The 3rd BC started off really framey opposite of the other 2 but the past 30 days he is beginning to really shape up nice. He's going to be the biggest framed by far. I would call the other two moderate. 4 of the 5 are dark red and 1 is light.(Her mother is light colored) He seems to sire really correct cattle from what I've seen and what we have.
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Post by hoekland on Jun 8, 2012 1:20:15 GMT -6
We used Revolution on 5 heifers this time.. 2 Hc's and 3 Bc's... The 2 HC are right at the top of their contemperaries and both have a look about em.. Really nice fronted, thick, and plenty of depth. As for the BC one is outstanding.. Dark red, deep, THICK, very clean fronted and also has a show look.. Another is a really good calf not hardly as clean fronted as the first I described but also tremendous thickness, depth, and plenty of growth.. The 3rd BC started off really framey opposite of the other 2 but the past 30 days he is beginning to really shape up nice. He's going to be the biggest framed by far. I would call the other two moderate. 4 of the 5 are dark red and 1 is light.(Her mother is light colored) He seems to sire really correct cattle from what I've seen and what we have. Do you mind showing me a photo of the tremendous thickness, just so I can know we are on the same page? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 6:01:15 GMT -6
Looking at Revolution's performance pedigree, I would say there is not a hole in him. Good spread from birth to yearling. Strong maternal. 102 ribeye with over 500 offspring tested. Rausch's 2nd Revolution adds pigment. I am not sure I would ever use them, but I doubt if there is a stronger performance line (epd wise) in the Hereford breed.
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Post by candymeadowfarms on Jun 9, 2012 17:21:21 GMT -6
Will get pics soon as possible. They are fall calves that have never had a bite of feed so it's natural TOO
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Post by bookcliff on Jun 10, 2012 22:24:45 GMT -6
jeff's comment is right on about using mutlible AI sires. every time I wind up diong it I remember why I told myself I wouldn't ever do it again.
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Post by George on Jun 23, 2012 23:20:54 GMT -6
Curious why you are using so many different sires for breeding. I used to do that but getting a consistant calf crop was hard when you use 4 - 5 AI sires then clean up bulls too. I now use one sire for commercial one for registered and one for all heifers. I still have to many clean up bulls but when you are blessed ith lots of small pastures you use what you have. Next year I hope to solve my clean up problen by using all half brothers. I used to use 4 - 5 different sires on heifers alone. Now that all my phone calls are for straights I dont have to use my Angus straws I've AIed 15 cows/heifers over the past few days and I definitely ignored your advice, Jeff! I used 5 different bulls.  |
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