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Post by Glenn on Dec 10, 2010 17:04:40 GMT -6
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Post by George on Dec 10, 2010 18:00:01 GMT -6
I really like the bull.
I also like his dam, although I'm sure a lot of folks won't care for her udder.
He may breed too much milk for a lot of places.
George
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Post by hoekland on Dec 10, 2010 23:31:53 GMT -6
Is he a descendant from the Ochs herd?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2010 10:05:27 GMT -6
he has lots of strong sires/cow families behind him. 55c, 46e, 411, etc. most of the herds up there go back to 43K somewhere along the line - hole (ochs). pretty common canadian pedigree.
he throws better udders than from what you see on his mother. they are consistently tipped just a little but solid functional.
the females are bigger, high volume, deep, and broody cows and they are productive. on that place i've always thought the best sale bulls were by a 20J mother. i've had a couple direct daughters here and they produced/maintained to ripe age. they did show lower bcs at wean but bred back right and their calves always catch your eye.
he is a mainstay in that herd. i put in one straw last spring hoping to raise a son out of him and ended up with a heifer for the replacement group. i've also used a son of him on heifers and never had a sire consistently throw such moderate birth weight and ratio so well (102) for ww. the son i used is all i have carcass data behind and rea was below 100. trying to selectively breed back to him. will get calves this spring by a great grandson of 20J. will calve out first daughters by grandson this spring. all the daughters born by 20J son are still in the herd - near perfect uddered - nice females so far.
if any of you know dvorak - they used him
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Post by hoekland on Dec 11, 2010 10:42:54 GMT -6
How good are the country he and the Ochs cattle was raised in?
I have a friend who used OB Joyfull quite a bit in the day and he farms in a very sweet area, his comments was that his get was always very moderate in his herd and very functional cattle. I would have expected much more size especially in that area.
Interestingly enough he also used Neon and Rambo, the Neons I've seen there was also moderate and very deep, too many pidgeon toes for my liking, but a beautiful type. I've only seen his Rambos as weanlings and they looked good, but he says they are going to be too big even though they were very wide and well muscled. As a side note he has the best herd of herefords I've seen so most bulls have a better chance to work there than anywhere else simply because of the maternal genetics backing them up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 11:29:12 GMT -6
How good are the country he and the Ochs cattle was raised in? I have a friend who used OB Joyfull quite a bit in the day and he farms in a very sweet area, his comments was that his get was always very moderate in his herd and very functional cattle. I would have expected much more size especially in that area. Interestingly enough he also used Neon and Rambo, the Neons I've seen there was also moderate and very deep, too many pidgeon toes for my liking, but a beautiful type. I've only seen his Rambos as weanlings and they looked good, but he says they are going to be too big even though they were very wide and well muscled. As a side note he has the best herd of herefords I've seen so most bulls have a better chance to work there than anywhere else simply because of the maternal genetics backing them up. i don't know but i have a feeling you'd consider your range marginal at best and so do i with mine. i don't know of a seedstock operation anywhere that would be looked at as worse in those regards so that is always out of the question when i'm looking for something - just try and weed thru it and test it here and find what works... bottom line that is why i have the cattle i have and am partial to them. |
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Post by George on Dec 16, 2010 12:11:48 GMT -6
How good are the country he and the Ochs cattle was raised in? I have a friend who used OB Joyfull quite a bit in the day and he farms in a very sweet area, his comments was that his get was always very moderate in his herd and very functional cattle. I would have expected much more size especially in that area. Interestingly enough he also used Neon and Rambo, the Neons I've seen there was also moderate and very deep, too many pidgeon toes for my liking, but a beautiful type. I've only seen his Rambos as weanlings and they looked good, but he says they are going to be too big even though they were very wide and well muscled. As a side note he has the best herd of herefords I've seen so most bulls have a better chance to work there than anywhere else simply because of the maternal genetics backing them up. Ochs cattle, when they were in Colorado, resided in country similar to what Ken Coleman's is. George |
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Post by Glenn on Dec 16, 2010 13:15:29 GMT -6
Ohio River Valley. Just outside of Crested Butte. Very Very beautiful.
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