Canadian question

[Glenn]

Anybody familiar with any of these Canadian bulls:

LCI Regency 173H
JHNR Diamond 99D
Silver Standard 2A

Was looking at a cow with these bulls in the pedigree.

Thanks.

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JHNR Diamond 99D
We owned half that bull - he was calgary champ in like 96 and sold for 45K. put lots of length into his progeny and i always thought that the cattle were harder doing because of how long they were. sold lots of bulls out of him into tough commercial country and guys liked the sons well. easy easy calver and good milking daughters. some of the females didn't have the best feet in the world when they got old and i culled everything to the bull because of it. he doesn't interest me in the least bit nowadays. dumped 400 doses of semen on him recently.

here is a pic of him at 6 i think

www.ngrbulls.com/jnhr_diamond_99d.htm

LCI Regency 173H
his mother was a pretty good cow - don't know anything else about the bull

Silver Standard 2A
really nice pedigree. i think xtc and fulton used the bull or i think fulton raised him.

the cow you are looking at must be from ochs?

[Glenn]

Thanks for the info.

The cow is an open heifer and I have not seen her, so I am just doing some pedigree spelunking. She is at a sale on Saturday. The top of her pedigree is Holdens and the bottom is straight Canadian. The heifer's mom is a 173 Daughter who's MGS is 2A.

AHA #43073631

As a side note, what are your feelings on how Harper is managing the Ochs cattle.

I went to an Ochs Sale once (too poor to buy anything) and had a blast. Beautiful country and Ken was a character. Was really nice to a young kid who couldn't afford any of his cattle.

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i wonder if those guys (coyote creek ranch) would have semen on 2A - that is more my kind of pedigree and type of cattle. who is coyote creek ranch?

I have never seen ochs herd. to me it a classic example of the reputation doesn't go along with the sale of the herd... i just hope they keep going and breed the cattle the same or try to continue Jim Hole style. Ken was a nice guy. i can remember seeing him up in canada every fall as a kid with the run of bull sales and i was always too bashful to talk to him and then one year up at fentons we were eyeballing the same bull and had a real nice conversation. he ended up buying the bull and i think it was the high seller.... i didn't even get a bid in as the bull was higher than i wanted to spend with the second or third bid. i remember the conversation like it was yesterday. we both agreed that the bull he ended up buying was probably the best one there that day but neither one of us could get over this one certain cow in the pen and i ended up buying her calf and stole him. i remember afterwards he said i think i should have bid on the one i got. anyhow, i don't think either bull really panned out. i never heard another thing about the one he bought and the one i got ended up with the commercial cows cause he had a bad habit of throwing zero eye pigment, white nuts, and too much white up the front legs - but the cows i have back to the bull are excellent females - just too much white. white nuts are a deal breaker for my customers. eye pigment is getting to be almost a must anymore too but i'd take a whole lot more of his daughters in the purebred herd - just didn't give the bull a chance. to me it seems the sires i like the best aren't really good for pigment but exceptional everywhere else while the cattle that are potent with pigment lack where it counts

[Glenn]

>>who is coyote creek ranch?<<

They are out of business now. I am pretty sure that Jerry bought some cattle from them. And as another twist the guy that bought most of their stock out (Mark Hannan) also bought a darn good bull from the Nash's. (I think).

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i've always got a chuckle out of the phrase "straight canadian". what does that really mean? most of those lines came via the states. i think what they really mean with that phrase is no L1 influence. unless someone up there would have something like a linebred wetmore herd or to another UK imported bull it doesn't make sense to me.

If there was one "straight canadian" sire i could go back in time to see in the flesh it would have been britisher domino...

[Glenn]

You're probably right. I use it in the sense of Line One free (for the most part). Even alot of Canadian bred bulls have some line one somewhere. Also used in the sense that the cattle were bred in Canada or have Canadian bred cattle in most of the pedigree.

[George]

Dec 2, 2010 13:59:54 GMT -6 Glenn said:

She is at a sale on Saturday.

Are you definitely going to the sale?

George

[Glenn]

Pretty sure, I am. I just talked my Dad into going with me. The lights are out on my trailer so all that is left is borrowing a trailer from my brother.

Need me to watch something for you?

[Glenn]

Dec 2, 2010 16:01:08 GMT -6 Glenn said:

>>who is coyote creek ranch?<<

They are out of business now. I am pretty sure that Jerry bought some cattle from them. And as another twist the guy that bought most of their stock out (Mark Hannan) also bought a darn good bull from the Nash's. (I think).

Man, I blew that. It should have read Deewall's not Nash's. Sorry Mike!

[George]

Dec 3, 2010 11:18:38 GMT -6 Glenn said:

Pretty sure, I am. I just talked my Dad into going with me. The lights are out on my trailer so all that is left is borrowing a trailer from my brother.

Need me to watch something for you?

Guess not, now. Heard back from Dennis that his cow was likely settled to the AI date - and I would have preferred her bred to the PE.

George

[George]

Dec 3, 2010 11:18:38 GMT -6 Glenn said:

Pretty sure, I am. I just talked my Dad into going with me. The lights are out on my trailer so all that is left is borrowing a trailer from my brother.

The sale report looked like there may have been some buys. Did you bring some home?

George

[Glenn]

One Head. I am too cheap. The quality (overall) was fair at best.

Maybe some people read my rant on here because Henry LeForce stood up before his heifers sold and announced they had all been confirmed IE free. But he was the only one. Several other suspect lots and nobody whispered a word.

I am not a big Eddie Sims fan.

[George]

Dec 6, 2010 8:47:21 GMT -6 Glenn said:

One Head. I am too cheap. The quality (overall) was fair at best.

Maybe some people read my rant on here because Henry LeForce stood up before his heifers sold and announced they had all been confirmed IE free. But he was the only one. Several other suspect lots and nobody whispered a word.

I am not a big Eddie Sims fan.

It's too bad that the LeForce cattle didn't have that designation or note in the sale catalog.

I'm not a big Eddie Sims fan either. But I'm short on respect for auctioneers and ringmen in general. A lot of them don't seem to put the same value on the truth and being forthright that I do. I finally realized that they work for the consignor/owner and their job is to sell the animal for as much as possible - and if their mouth is moving they could well be lieing. But there's way too many ficticious bids in some of these sales.

I wish more folks would employ Kit Pharo's method of having a sale. But that would put a lot of these sale management/auctioneer folks out of business - and with the current economy we've probably got enough used car salesmen and carnival barkers - and that's about the only other thing these folks would be fit for, as far as vocation.

George

[Glenn]

It's too bad that the LeForce cattle didn't have that designation or note in the sale catalog.


I thought it might have cost him some money but most of them sold pretty good. the top 4 head averaged over $1900 each. I bought the cheapest one that he sold on Saturday at $825. A couple sold for $900 and the rest were all over a grand. They were not sold or represented as show quality.

I'm not a big Eddie Sims fan either. But I'm short on respect for auctioneers and ringmen in general. A lot of them don't seem to put the same value on the truth and being forthright that I do. I finally realized that they work for the consignor/owner and their job is to sell the animal for as much as possible - and if their mouth is moving they could well be lieing. But there's way too many ficticious bids in some of these sales.

I'm with you 100%. I continually remind myself they work for the seller, but Eddie in particular seems to turn my stomach.

I wish more folks would employ Kit Pharo's method of having a sale. But that would put a lot of these sale management/auctioneer folks out of business - and with the current economy we've probably got enough used car salesmen and carnival barkers - and that's about the only other thing these folks would be fit for, as far as vocation.

Again, couldn't agree more. I would have no sympathy for the out of work hucksters myself.