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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 16:25:00 GMT -6
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 16:26:55 GMT -6
A couple of 2 year old 238Y daughters I will flush this spring. The calves are out of 66A.
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 17:17:59 GMT -6
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 17:18:20 GMT -6
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 17:18:43 GMT -6
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 17:19:08 GMT -6
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Post by strojanherefords on Apr 10, 2016 17:29:21 GMT -6
Why are those two year olds on you flush list?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:55:08 GMT -6
Nice looking cattle. Thanks for sharing
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 19:38:44 GMT -6
Both heifers are the result of everything I have looked for. They are both out of DA 252T Britisher 238Y, a bull I owned and really liked. His mother was the #1 maternal index cow in Canada for 2 years. 238Y's mother was a double bred 56L, 83A close up twice, and the grandmother was out of Pahl Fortune 116C. Canadian breeding at its best. The mother and grandmother of the dark heifers are 2 of my best. Both have nice fall calves on them out of 238Y. The 13 year old grandmother is the 2nd oldest cow I own. The oldest cow I own is the mother of the lighter colored heifer. She never fails to produce a herd bull no matter how she is bred. So, while they are young, the I am confidant in these 2 year olds. My biggest concern is I really like to replicate a proven mating when flushing and these heifers have only had one mating. I am scratching my head trying to figure out how to mate them. Will probably use a couple of old, proven Canadian bulls: 9A or 82B.
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 19:43:18 GMT -6
Correction: I should have proof read my post. They are both out of 238Y who was out of FA 121M Britisher 252T, a bull I owned and really liked. His mother was #1 maternal index cow for 2 years.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Apr 10, 2016 19:52:23 GMT -6
So the two heifers identical twins?
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Post by mrvictordomino on Apr 10, 2016 19:59:48 GMT -6
Nice young pairs Tim. 66A calves look good
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Post by timbernt on Apr 10, 2016 20:18:47 GMT -6
No, the heifers are both out of 238Y. The mother of the dark heifer is 123W, half Canadian and half Mark Donald. The mother of the lighter heifer is 735, straight Mark Donald; linebred to 326. If I knew a little more about the calves from H351 I might use him on them. Thanks for the nice comments, 66A is very consistent in the type of calves and low BW. Probably a little more hair than we need in MO. Disposition is good. Obviously, his calves have enough white to announce they are Hereford. I will post a picture of 66A, but need to curry the manure off his rear end first. About 30 calves from him this spring (2 year olds) and about 30 this fall from cows.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Apr 10, 2016 20:45:25 GMT -6
I was just joking Tim, the pics under the two year olds your going to flush. It's the same two year old in all 4 shots. She look good though!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 11:29:37 GMT -6
My take is that he is pretty much straight Hereford. Joking aside, I would like to see a small ring around the eyes. I would like to see a brown scrotum as well mostly because it makes his testicles look larger. Eye pigment probably has a real benefit for cancer eye. However, we all have to decide what a bull can offer and what tradeoffs we are willing to make to incorporate those traits. In this case I believe the BW, milk, and durability are more important than the lack of pigment. In my opinion, so many breeders have concentrated on pigment it is readily available and can be added in one generation if necessary. I actually am repulsed by the amount of atypical pigment so many breeders seem to like. But I have proven many times to be an old crab that is outside the mainstream. I agree 100% I don't believe the perfect bull is out there. There is always going to be some give take. I had a sensation calf out of a good beery cow that looked like it had eye liner on but not the huge goggle eye I thought it was perfect. I want a hereford to look like a hereford nice feathering nice frame and white face. I extremely hate the term short marked if people want a red baldy bull buy a simetal just my opinion.
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Post by timbernt on Apr 12, 2016 20:25:42 GMT -6
Strojanherefords - I have been sitting on a dozer a lot the last few days so lots of time to think about what you asked about flushing those particular 2 year-olds. From your comments in the past I think the jist is the philosophy of whether to flush 2 year-olds which are relatively unproven. In my experience, the biggest disappointments I have had was using bulls I had little experience with. It seems to me that cow families breed pretty true. Those top 2 year-olds from your top cow families almost always make your best producers. However, when I use new bulls to flush I often have calves that disappoint me. It doesn't seem to matter how well proven the bull is in other herds or his EPD's, if he doesn't have a history in my herd I have pretty much made a hard and fast rule to not use him in ET or IVF.
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Post by hrndherf on Apr 27, 2016 0:45:02 GMT -6
The one heifer calf that I got out of 66A. Big year for bull calves here this year.
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Post by elkwc on Apr 27, 2016 4:45:12 GMT -6
NIce cow and calf
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