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Post by smnherf on Feb 20, 2011 18:55:14 GMT -6
I dont' know Ed Wallce nor do I care about his politics. Left, right center makes no difference to me as there are people in all camps that are for or against ethanol. All I care about is his objectivity. Is he a mechanic or does he know anything about automotive engineering? Brian, Ed Wallace is a former car salesman/sales manager who has been doing his "auto-based" radio show for about 20 years. I think he has about 35 years experience, total, in the automotive business. What he has at his disposal is probably the very elite group of new car dealers in the DFW metroplex, who sponsor his show, and countless other contacts in the automotive industry that he has developed over the years - including mechanics, car company executives, etc....etc. I don't think there's anyone that has better resources and access to all facets of the automotive industry - the ability to check the pulse of what is going on "in the trenches" of that industry. And Ed usually gets it right! I can't think of an issue, in the car industry, where he hasn't been on top of the issue and ultimately proven correct in his assessment. For instance, he's been saying that the well reported Toyota acceleration problem was going to be determined as bogus claims and driver errors for a LONG time now -despite all of the initial reports in the press - and that is what is NOW coming out. I'm usually out and about on Saturday mornings, so I get to listen to at least part of his weekly radio show - and have for many years. Ed's proven himself to be a man of integrity, to me, so I'm going to defer to his judgment here - an area where he's an expert and I'm not. I'm definitely not a "car-guy" - cars and trucks are simply a tool to me. I listen to Ed because he provides much more than car news in his radio broadcasts. They're entertaining! All I want is the ability to make a choice of whether I put ethanol in my car engines. Given that choice, I won't. I am not about forceing people to use anything they don't want to use. Ethanol has its problems and certainly its critics some of wich aren't true at all. I tend to look the other way usually when I hear some of them but when I hear how it is driving up food prices and calling it evil and incinuating that it is causeing the riots in Egypt and that we need a govt grain reserve and I have to throw the BS flag out there. |
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Post by smnherf on Feb 20, 2011 18:58:53 GMT -6
Naturally, no response to my points. Just a semi-veiled jab at me! LOL! But you're damned right I pretty much stopped when I saw who was paying for the report. Like I said a person or organization knows where its bread is buttered! Actually I was gonna do some more, but since you don't read them I will save by time. |
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Post by Glenn on Feb 20, 2011 19:00:11 GMT -6
If you post something that is not a Farm Bureau or Renewable Fuels Assoc. PAID FOR report. I will read it.
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Post by smnherf on Feb 20, 2011 19:04:41 GMT -6
If you post something that is not a Farm Bureau or Renewable Fuels Assoc. PAID FOR report. I will read it. But your more than willing to beleive the reports that have been paid for by the PR firm that the Grocers Association organized. |
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Post by smnherf on Feb 20, 2011 19:08:12 GMT -6
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Post by Glenn on Feb 20, 2011 19:08:45 GMT -6
Where did I post anything by the "Grocer's Association"? I posted a blog entry and a Bloomberg Article.
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Post by Glenn on Feb 20, 2011 19:12:39 GMT -6
Please. I read the first article. No meat and potatoes. AND this is from a site called "DOMESTICFUEL.COM" an obvious ethanol mouthpiece.
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Post by smnherf on Feb 20, 2011 19:18:18 GMT -6
You sure aren't gonna find any such type articles mentioned by the ethanol bashers like ED Wallace will you? Does he claim that ethanol is raising food prices. The site isn't the source. It is the World Bank that did the reseach. Not exactly my favorite organization either.
The website is merely reporting it. BIG difference.
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Post by smnherf on Feb 20, 2011 19:28:44 GMT -6
Please. I read the first article. No meat and potatoes. AND this is from a site called "DOMESTICFUEL.COM" an obvious ethanol mouthpiece. In 4 minutes??? No meat and potatoes?  The entire 42 page document is there if the summmary isn't good enough |
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Post by George on Feb 25, 2011 11:38:32 GMT -6
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Post by Glenn on Feb 25, 2011 12:38:46 GMT -6
Here is the latest from the Ass Clown Visack:
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CORN FOR ETHANOL AT RECORD HIGH
Ethanol makers are expected to consume a record 5 billion bushels of corn this year, or some 36 percent of the harvest.
Despite criticism that using food for fuel was driving up prices and contributing to thin stockpiles, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack told the conference the government had no intention of scaling back on ethanol.
"There is no reason for us to take the foot off the gas," Vilsack told the conference. "This is a great opportunity for us because we can do it all, make no mistake about it."<<<<<<<<<<<
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Post by George on Feb 26, 2011 8:23:41 GMT -6
This debate about using "food" to make ethanol for fuel is certainly heating up.
I don't normally listen to Glenn Beck, but it was on his radio program yesterday that I heard about Slick Willie's recent comments.
Remembering this thread, I had to find an online reference, log in, and jab at Brian a little bit. ;D
Then, when I was coming back from checking on the cows in Eastland last night, Mark Levin also had an extended commentary about the wisdom of using corn and wheat for fuel. Another radio show host whom I seldom listen to - because of the time of his show here. I try to avoid Limbaugh and Beck, but I like to listen to Levin.
When politicians like Gore and Clinton switch positions on an issue like this, I tend to look at that with some skepticism. Both have proven themselves as liars to me. I wonder what THEIR motivation is, since I don't think they tend to do things just for the good of the country.
I really haven't developed an opinion, yet, on the wisdom of using "food" to make fuel - and the effect it is having on food prices. I just don't want the ethanol in the fuel because of the harm it may cause engines. I still have 2 running vehicles that were manufactured in the 90s. If the ethanol level in the fuel is raised to 15%, I will just sell both of them - rather than risk an expensive repair bill.
Brian puts a lot of faith in the reports of the engineering firm. I'm an engineer - and I have a number of friends who work for engineering firms like Ricardo. Based on the conversations I've had with them over the years, I know a number of these kinds of reports are developed with the end result already in mind. Like statistics, data can be manipulated to achieve the goal desired. For instance, if you examine an engine that might skew the results away from your end goal, you just throw that one out. I'm not saying that happened in this case, but knowing what the process is makes me a skeptic.
So, Brian, you can choose to believe those engineers. I'll choose to believe the "car guy" who has the information base of the service departments of the best car dealers in the area, and also a number of independent mechanics who have to deal with the damage they see being done by ethanol to the car engines of their customers. They say their car repair business is definitely going to increase if the ethanol level is raised.
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Post by smnherf on Mar 3, 2011 20:45:24 GMT -6
I am pretty much done with this site. I spent an hour writing a response and then when I went to post it it dumped me off, so the basic response is
If ethanol is the problem from food prices to the violence in the Middle East, then how come nobody mentions the govt run CRP program?
To put it into perspective, at the start of 2010 there was about 30 million acres enrolled in the CRP program. We are projected to plant 92 million acres of corn this year in the US. Which has more effect on food production then? Idling 30 million acres or using 5 million bushels of corn for ethanol?
Until we answer that, there is no debate and anyone who does is simply ignorant of the whole picture or is simply playing political games.
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Post by Glenn on Mar 3, 2011 21:34:30 GMT -6
You are trying to reframe the argument. No one here is defending CRP.
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Post by George on Mar 3, 2011 23:22:41 GMT -6
I am pretty much done with this site. I spent an hour writing a response and then when I went to post it it dumped me off.... Brian, sorry you're having trouble. I've had very little trouble with using this forum, but I know others have had some trouble as well. As a suggestion, if you're making a long post, type it into Word or Works first - then copy and paste it into the forum message box. |
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