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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 17, 2010 17:36:37 GMT -6
Simple question, for the horned breeders, past and present, how many polled calves have you had born from horned parents.
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Post by George on Nov 17, 2010 18:39:41 GMT -6
Where both parents were horned, zero.
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 17, 2010 20:53:12 GMT -6
Where both parents were horned, zero. George Yep both parents horned, Jamison has/had 800/900 head wonder how many he's had. I thinking about doing what Gammon did, you know. But I'd be writing to all the L1 breeders asking if they'll sell me their next polled bull. I can not seem to find a polled bull I like to breed my heifers too, I really don't want horns, figured what I really need is a polled L1. What do you'll think.  |
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Post by jayh on Nov 17, 2010 21:43:50 GMT -6
I have a heifer with scurs but that wont do you any good. Both are horned parents?
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Post by jhambley on Nov 18, 2010 0:42:03 GMT -6
I think Eugene Henkel in Fairbury NE has been working on a polled L1 herd for years now.
You might want to give him a ring: 402-729-5866
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 18, 2010 20:10:09 GMT -6
Yep both parents horned, Jamison has/had 800/900 head wonder how many he's had. I thinking about doing what Gammon did, you know. But I'd be writing to all the L1 breeders asking if they'll sell me their next polled bull. I can not seem to find a polled bull I like to breed my heifers too, I really don't want horns, figured what I really need is a polled L1. What do you'll think.  Gordon told me he had someone say they'd take any polled calves he might have before. I think he said he'd never had one. He said he had a few he thought might end up polled but they all ended up growing horns later. Did it go something like this. Ring! Ring! "Hello, Colman residence". "Ken it's Gordon, guess what I heard today, some dumbass called wanting to buy any polled calves I have, can you believe that" Ken; "WHAAAAT." |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 18, 2010 20:14:02 GMT -6
I think Eugene Henkel in Fairbury NE has been working on a polled L1 herd for years now. You might want to give him a ring: 402-729-5866 Thanks, I called a couple times today, no answer, no answering machine. It will be interesting to see what he's doing, and how he's doing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 11:52:46 GMT -6
never had one born here and i've asked probably all the straight hereford commercial guys i know the same question and they all said the same. i had asked a big hereford outfit down the river from us that has had a closed horned hereford herd forever and run something like 2500 cows and raise all their own bulls... he said they'd never had one that he knows of and they dehorn all but their replacement females and bull calves they kept (100+). the old man there died late 90's and it is slowly becoming black.
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 22, 2010 21:43:57 GMT -6
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Post by jhambley on Nov 22, 2010 23:02:06 GMT -6
You could try calling Gene's son as well. His name is Eric.
Eugene or Eric Henkel
56095 715 Road, Fairbury, NE 68352-5053
Phone: 402-729-5866, Eric: 402-239-9838
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 23, 2010 6:03:43 GMT -6
You could try calling Gene's son as well. His name is Eric. Eugene or Eric Henkel 56095 715 Road, Fairbury, NE 68352-5053 Phone: 402-729-5866, Eric: 402-239-9838 Thanks, I'll try that number. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 15:16:09 GMT -6
I think Eugene Henkel in Fairbury NE has been working on a polled L1 herd for years now. You might want to give him a ring: 402-729-5866 Thanks, I called a couple times today, no answer, no answering machine. It will be interesting to see what he's doing, and how he's doing it. I visited Gene within the last month. He has polled straight L1 bulls and a couple are smooth polled. If I ahve time and can figure this out, I will post some pics. There is a bull calf that I think may be his best polled L1 prospect so far: EEH POLLED L1 DOMINO 64Z (P43119012) His sire, the 38x bull, is now owned by Albert Hough at Hough Herefords in Camden, SC.....I think he puts an ad in the July Hereford World each year for contact info. There is another 38x son that has a tremendous amount of pigment, he is a 2 year old. Best time to call Gene is saturday night....he makes and receives calls most saturday evenings. He is hard of hearing, in his 70's, so you will have to speak up. The polled gene came from WCF L1 DOMINO 550 (P19540683), a scurred bull whose parents were bred at the West Coast Florida L1 station. His dam was polled as was her dam. The WCF prefix appears in most of the cattle at Miles City today. |
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Post by Glenn on Nov 29, 2010 15:35:08 GMT -6
Thanks, I called a couple times today, no answer, no answering machine. It will be interesting to see what he's doing, and how he's doing it. I visited Gene within the last month. He has polled straight L1 bulls and a couple are smooth polled. If I ahve time and can figure this out, I will post some pics. There is a bull calf that I think may be his best polled L1 prospect so far: EEH POLLED L1 DOMINO 64Z (P43119012) His sire, the 38x bull, is now owned by Albert Hough at Hough Herefords in Camden, SC.....I think he puts an ad in the July Hereford World each year for contact info. There is another 38x son that has a tremendous amount of pigment, he is a 2 year old. Best time to call Gene is saturday night....he makes and receives calls most saturday evenings. He is hard of hearing, in his 70's, so you will have to speak up. The polled gene came from WCF L1 DOMINO 550 (P19540683), a scurred bull whose parents were bred at the West Coast Florida L1 station. His dam was polled as was her dam. The WCF prefix appears in most of the cattle at Miles City today. Man that is great information. That is what I hope we can get a lot of going on here. Exchange of information that we wouldn't have any way of knowing otherwise. Those of you who are friends with these older breeders may be the only link to some sorts of information. I appreciate folks taking the time to post stuff like this. |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Nov 29, 2010 17:36:52 GMT -6
I visited Gene within the last month. He has polled straight L1 bulls and a couple are smooth polled. If I ahve time and can figure this out, I will post some pics. There is a bull calf that I think may be his best polled L1 prospect so far: EEH POLLED L1 DOMINO 64Z (P43119012) His sire, the 38x bull, is now owned by Albert Hough at Hough Herefords in Camden, SC.....I think he puts an ad in the July Hereford World each year for contact info. There is another 38x son that has a tremendous amount of pigment, he is a 2 year old. Best time to call Gene is saturday night....he makes and receives calls most saturday evenings. He is hard of hearing, in his 70's, so you will have to speak up. The polled gene came from WCF L1 DOMINO 550 (P19540683), a scurred bull whose parents were bred at the West Coast Florida L1 station. His dam was polled as was her dam. The WCF prefix appears in most of the cattle at Miles City today. Great stuff John, especially the best calling time, I'm normally out Saturday evenings, but I'll call from my cell if I have good service. If you want to email the pictures to me I'll post them if others are interested. Thanks. |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Dec 5, 2010 19:41:38 GMT -6
I visited Gene within the last month. He has polled straight L1 bulls and a couple are smooth polled. If I ahve time and can figure this out, I will post some pics. There is a bull calf that I think may be his best polled L1 prospect so far: EEH POLLED L1 DOMINO 64Z (P43119012) His sire, the 38x bull, is now owned by Albert Hough at Hough Herefords in Camden, SC.....I think he puts an ad in the July Hereford World each year for contact info. There is another 38x son that has a tremendous amount of pigment, he is a 2 year old. Best time to call Gene is saturday night....he makes and receives calls most saturday evenings. He is hard of hearing, in his 70's, so you will have to speak up. The polled gene came from WCF L1 DOMINO 550 (P19540683), a scurred bull whose parents were bred at the West Coast Florida L1 station. His dam was polled as was her dam. The WCF prefix appears in most of the cattle at Miles City today. I finally got to talk to Mr. Eugene Henkel, say's he'll send me a package with some photo's in it. Great guy to talk to, has some good stories to tell and a pretty good memory for 73. Hopefully will get to talk to him again. Anyone have any information on the Miles City L4's or a link to some. Thanks. |
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Post by jayh on Dec 5, 2010 20:07:25 GMT -6
I visited Gene within the last month. He has polled straight L1 bulls and a couple are smooth polled. If I ahve time and can figure this out, I will post some pics. There is a bull calf that I think may be his best polled L1 prospect so far: EEH POLLED L1 DOMINO 64Z (P43119012) His sire, the 38x bull, is now owned by Albert Hough at Hough Herefords in Camden, SC.....I think he puts an ad in the July Hereford World each year for contact info. There is another 38x son that has a tremendous amount of pigment, he is a 2 year old. Best time to call Gene is saturday night....he makes and receives calls most saturday evenings. He is hard of hearing, in his 70's, so you will have to speak up. The polled gene came from WCF L1 DOMINO 550 (P19540683), a scurred bull whose parents were bred at the West Coast Florida L1 station. His dam was polled as was her dam. The WCF prefix appears in most of the cattle at Miles City today. I finally got to talk to Mr. Eugene Henkel, say's he'll send me a package with some photo's in it. Great guy to talk to, has some good stories to tell and a pretty good memory for 73. Hopefully will get to talk to him again. Anyone have any information on the Miles City L4's or a link to some. Thanks. Found this www.asas.org/western04/proceedings/0078.pdfI dont think this is what you want but it is the only thing I found |
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Post by rockmillsfarm on Dec 5, 2010 20:32:28 GMT -6
Thanks Jay, that's better than I did. I'm looking for more of their history and why they discontinued the line. |
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Post by jayh on Dec 5, 2010 21:52:29 GMT -6
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 8, 2010 18:24:57 GMT -6
Thanks Jay, I found that one after you posted the first link.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 19:03:58 GMT -6
Thanks Jay, I found that one after you posted the first link. Miles City and Havre had separate research programs. They numbered their own lines independent of each other. The Havre Line 4's are the same as the Miles City Line 1's. The Miles City Line 4's are not the same as the Havre Line 4's. Gene Henkel could tell you what the Miles City Line 4's were....off the top of my head, they may have been a Mischief line. Currently, Havre only has their Line 4 (Miles City Line 1). Havre gets an occasional infusion of blood from Miles City by having them send a bull up there from time to time. MARC, in Nebraska, also gets an occasional bull from Miles City. Havre calls their Line 4's MONTANA DOMINO. Check out this link for a look at what is behind todays Havre Montana Domino: www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C24262421252E2E&9=51505AWhy were the Miles City Line 4's discontinued? Could have been financial, could have been they didn't perform as well as Line 1, could have been political...remeber this is the USDA. I think if you really look into things it is remarkable that the Line 1 program at Miles City is still going strong. You can bet there has been plenty of pressure to discontinue it. The Miles City Line 1's are a big asset to the Hereford breed, whether you like them or not. |
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Dec 8, 2010 20:39:54 GMT -6
Thanks Jay, I found that one after you posted the first link. Miles City and Havre had separate research programs. They numbered their own lines independent of each other. The Havre Line 4's are the same as the Miles City Line 1's. The Miles City Line 4's are not the same as the Havre Line 4's. Gene Henkel could tell you what the Miles City Line 4's were....off the top of my head, they may have been a Mischief line. Currently, Havre only has their Line 4 (Miles City Line 1). Havre gets an occasional infusion of blood from Miles City by having them send a bull up there from time to time. MARC, in Nebraska, also gets an occasional bull from Miles City. Havre calls their Line 4's MONTANA DOMINO. Check out this link for a look at what is behind todays Havre Montana Domino: www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C24262421252E2E&9=51505AWhy were the Miles City Line 4's discontinued? Could have been financial, could have been they didn't perform as well as Line 1, could have been political...remeber this is the USDA. I think if you really look into things it is remarkable that the Line 1 program at Miles City is still going strong. You can bet there has been plenty of pressure to discontinue it. The Miles City Line 1's are a big asset to the Hereford breed, whether you like them or not. Thanks John, thats exactly what I was looking for. I didn't realize when I spoke to Mr. Henkel I should have took notes. My wife says I was on the phone talking to him for a couple of hours, didn't seem that long to me. Anyways afterwards I was trying to remember everything he'd said and what I remembered about the L4's didn't make sense, but now it does, it was the Harve L4's he was talking about. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Thank You John. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 9:09:28 GMT -6
Miles City and Havre had separate research programs. They numbered their own lines independent of each other. The Havre Line 4's are the same as the Miles City Line 1's. The Miles City Line 4's are not the same as the Havre Line 4's. Gene Henkel could tell you what the Miles City Line 4's were....off the top of my head, they may have been a Mischief line. Currently, Havre only has their Line 4 (Miles City Line 1). Havre gets an occasional infusion of blood from Miles City by having them send a bull up there from time to time. MARC, in Nebraska, also gets an occasional bull from Miles City. Havre calls their Line 4's MONTANA DOMINO. Check out this link for a look at what is behind todays Havre Montana Domino: www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=232B21&2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5C24262421252E2E&9=51505AWhy were the Miles City Line 4's discontinued? Could have been financial, could have been they didn't perform as well as Line 1, could have been political...remeber this is the USDA. I think if you really look into things it is remarkable that the Line 1 program at Miles City is still going strong. You can bet there has been plenty of pressure to discontinue it. The Miles City Line 1's are a big asset to the Hereford breed, whether you like them or not. Thanks John, thats exactly what I was looking for. I didn't realize when I spoke to Mr. Henkel I should have took notes. My wife says I was on the phone talking to him for a couple of hours, didn't seem that long to me. Anyways afterwards I was trying to remember everything he'd said and what I remembered about the L4's didn't make sense, but now it does, it was the Harve L4's he was talking about. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Thank You John. Your welcome. It seems like my wife had a few things to say about the length of my phone conversations with Gene also. He enjoys talking cattle. Another likely reason why the Miles City Line 1's are still going as a research project could be because they were a very large group of cattle to begin with. |
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