klee
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Post by klee on Nov 21, 2015 19:47:39 GMT -6
Interested in what Bulls will add a little more frame. Probably a 6 to 6.5
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Post by strojanherefords on Nov 21, 2015 20:18:01 GMT -6
If you don't mind outcrossing, I would recommend 40W from Lily. I have daughters of him in California and they handle our heat well. |
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Post by joedan on Nov 22, 2015 0:36:09 GMT -6
I think a line 1 that might help you out with that would be HH Advance 0132X. Semen is sold through Genex. Check him out.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 22, 2015 8:58:14 GMT -6
I don't think 0132X will add much frame. I also have my doubts about his performance. I have had a couple and though nice patterned cattle, they were toward the bottom of the calves in performance. To me, he is basically a heifer bull.
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Post by joedan on Nov 22, 2015 10:58:26 GMT -6
Well, the ones that I had were on the upper end of the frame score chart. I would agree with you on the performance part, but the question was about frame, not performance.
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Post by strojanherefords on Nov 22, 2015 11:11:16 GMT -6
Well, the ones that I had were on the upper end of the frame score chart. I would agree with you on the performance part, but the question was about frame, not performance. What is the point of more frame without performance? |
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Post by joedan on Nov 22, 2015 11:24:32 GMT -6
Well, the ones that I had were on the upper end of the frame score chart. I would agree with you on the performance part, but the question was about frame, not performance. What is the point of more frame without performance? I'm simply giving my opinon to answer the question. The question only asks about frame. Do you read anything about performance in the question? Me either. |
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Post by Glenn on Nov 22, 2015 12:19:39 GMT -6
If I wanted to increase frame and performance 860U would be a bull to look at, imo....
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Post by bookcliff on Nov 22, 2015 18:05:03 GMT -6
Well, the ones that I had were on the upper end of the frame score chart. I would agree with you on the performance part, but the question was about frame, not performance. i'd agree about the frame part. seen a few of em in this part of the country. damn sure enough 6 to mid 6 frames. and Roger has had plenty of em and they damn sure got some gas to em performance wise. |
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Post by klee on Nov 22, 2015 19:26:00 GMT -6
Should have been a little clearer. Do want performance and also slick coat for the heat of Alabama. Will be using on 8050 grand-daughters.
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Post by Trailmaster on Nov 22, 2015 21:29:09 GMT -6
I agree with Joedan on HH Advance 0132X being a good bull to consider. I had 8 calves out of him this year, 4 bulls and 4 heifers, and like them quite a bit. I haven't turned in weaning weights yet but I think they're going to do well. 0132X throws calves that are pretty complete and have a lot of eye appeal IMO. Couple other Holden bulls to consider are 3006A and 3297A.
I also agree with Glenn on CL 1 Domino 860U being a good one to consider. I also really like the 1161Y Cooper bull. He can throw a little extra white sometimes but is a great bull IMO.
Also might think about GB L1 Domino 177R and 175E.
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Post by jayh on Nov 23, 2015 14:33:01 GMT -6
I didn't figure 175 was that big
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klee
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Post by klee on Nov 23, 2015 16:50:14 GMT -6
Thanks for the help. Probably going to use 860U on cows. Heifers not decided on a sire yet. I have some cows ai'd to 177R due next month .
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Post by bltherf on Nov 23, 2015 18:44:07 GMT -6
Should have been a little clearer. Do want performance and also slick coat for the heat of Alabama. Will be using on 8050 grand-daughters. Don't mean to hijack your thread Klee but since we have all this L1 knowledge on hand here I have a related question . Of all the bigger ,top peforming L1 bulls out there are there any that stand out for possessing a real thick good haricoat? And passing it on. Just as you southerners need the slick coated ones we are lost without the good hair. Seems to be something you just have to give up to get the L1 influence but then i don't pretend to know them all. I do know it's worth a lot of money in our bull program. Interested in your replies. |
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Post by klee on Nov 23, 2015 19:19:19 GMT -6
Really don't know about the L1 bulls with a thick hair coat but I have been at Debters sale when they would announce that a bull would carry a little extra hair. Have seen some heifers brought in from Montana that it took about a year for them to adjust to the humidity and their hair appeared to get a little slicker. Some try to get cattle from the cooler climates delivered in the fall.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 24, 2015 9:41:27 GMT -6
Should have been a little clearer. Do want performance and also slick coat for the heat of Alabama. Will be using on 8050 grand-daughters. Don't mean to hijack your thread Klee but since we have all this L1 knowledge on hand here I have a related question . Of all the bigger ,top peforming L1 bulls out there are there any that stand out for possessing a real thick good haricoat? And passing it on. Just as you southerners need the slick coated ones we are lost without the good hair. Seems to be something you just have to give up to get the L1 influence but then i don't pretend to know them all. I do know it's worth a lot of money in our bull program. Interested in your replies. Wish I could help more, but my area is so hot that shedding is a much bigger concern for me. I do know that Bonsma said the two traits were not mutually exclusive. I have had tremendous luck with my L1's shedding off early and slicking up very nicely. In fact back when I had a hodge podge herd this was one of the draws to the L1's for me. I bet Ken could help much better since he ranches at 8700 feet and it does get awful cold and snowy up in that mountain valley. |
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Post by avignon on Nov 24, 2015 21:55:44 GMT -6
I have been fortunate to see 177R & 0132X as mentioned in this post. 177 is a big bull himself, far more frame than 0132X, I think he'd do the trick for you, he's a bull I really liked in the flesh. 0132X was in a pasture with 144Y & was a lot smaller than 144Y. I saw 144Y twice and he really grew into a big bull as a 4YO, I was surprised just how big after seeing him as a 2YO.
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Post by rvf1986 on Nov 25, 2015 18:16:25 GMT -6
U may consider using 215 or 386 from Cooper's.I have half brothers of both and I'm very pleased with the calves .
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Post by hoekland on Nov 26, 2015 0:11:51 GMT -6
I have been fortunate to see 177R & 0132X as mentioned in this post. 177 is a big bull himself, far more frame than 0132X, I think he'd do the trick for you, he's a bull I really liked in the flesh. 0132X was in a pasture with 144Y & was a lot smaller than 144Y. I saw 144Y twice and he really grew into a big bull as a 4YO, I was surprised just how big after seeing him as a 2YO. That is just what we need... more late maturing herefords |
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Post by rvf1986 on Nov 26, 2015 0:27:49 GMT -6
Another option would be DH ADVANCE 736 from Debters. I saw him in Oct at the sale and for his age he is still impressive. He is really slick haired and his daughters are doing well for them!
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 26, 2015 6:36:44 GMT -6
I have been fortunate to see 177R & 0132X as mentioned in this post. 177 is a big bull himself, far more frame than 0132X, I think he'd do the trick for you, he's a bull I really liked in the flesh. 0132X was in a pasture with 144Y & was a lot smaller than 144Y. I saw 144Y twice and he really grew into a big bull as a 4YO, I was surprised just how big after seeing him as a 2YO. That is just what we need... more late maturing herefordsWhy is that? Something new for me. |
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Post by hoekland on Nov 26, 2015 7:29:07 GMT -6
That is just what we need... more late maturing herefordsWhy is that? Something new for me. I was being sarcastic. Hard doing, hard calving, late maturing herefords is what caused the slump in the bull market in the first place (atleast here in the 3rd world) |
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 26, 2015 7:39:36 GMT -6
Why is that? Something new for me. I was being sarcastic. Hard doing, hard calving, late maturing herefords is what caused the slump in the bull market in the first place (atleast here in the 3rd world) Ok. |
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Post by avignon on Nov 26, 2015 15:08:07 GMT -6
Why is that? Something new for me. I was being sarcastic. Hard doing, hard calving, late maturing herefords is what caused the slump in the bull market in the first place (atleast here in the 3rd world) I agree with your thinking but caution that it may be a bit harsh considering he had seviced a lot of cows when I saw him as a 2YO, perhaps his ability to regain his growth pattern should be admired? I don't know, 2 years is too long to pin point when matured. Albeit I did find him to be an impressive sire & returning to our original subject he was a good solid frame 6 whereas 0132X may be slightly smaller - still a good bull though & in my opinion both are worthy of consideration. I also saw 2005 at Coopers who was exposed to a good selection of their top cows, he was a good thick sire. |
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Post by avignon on Nov 26, 2015 15:19:07 GMT -6
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