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Post by Glenn on Jan 23, 2015 20:10:48 GMT -6
Interested to see what you guys think the commercial cow herd in your local area looks like.
Here is my BEST GUESS at what is going on in North Texas/SW Oklahoma right now:
I put our area herd at: 25% hodgepodge joseph's coat of many colors crossbreds, 50% Angus or high % Angus, 15% Brangus, 5% Charolais/Charbray, 5% (at most) Hereford. Bulls around here 60% Angus, 25% Charolais, 10% Cow Freshners, 5% Hereford(as best as I can tell of this 5% 75% would be horned and 25% polled).
The trend is MORE BLACK and MORE ANGUS so these numbers will probably be like 70% Angus - 15% Brangus in another decade.
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Post by postoak1 on Jan 23, 2015 20:30:10 GMT -6
60% black
30% white
10% other
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Post by whiteface on Jan 23, 2015 21:46:03 GMT -6
Cows
90% Black (angus mix whether that is sim/angus or BWF crosses) BWF is growing rapidly however.
5% Char mix
5% straight hereford
Bulls
70% Angus
20% Hereford 70% POLLED 30% Horned
5% Sim or Sim/Angus
5% Char
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Post by elkwc on Jan 24, 2015 4:38:20 GMT -6
Glenn I posted my thoughts of both areas I'm around in a post on another thread. What I see especially down in the western OK area is the older breeders of which there is a high percentage have either Angus or Herefords and if they cross they raise black baldies. They youger breeders have smaller herds and they tend to be more black and fewer of them cross. If they do it is less likely to be a Hereford. I see somewhat the same percentages as I travel back and forth. More Angus from Guymon to Woodward and more Herefords from Woodward south. Of course those are just what I see along the highway. I travel a lot of the country both here in SW KS and when I'm down there. So what I see at in both areas is propably a better representation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 16:47:30 GMT -6
85% Black/BWF
10% Hereford
5% mixed breeds
Bulls are basically the same
NE Kansas
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Post by randy on Jan 25, 2015 10:31:46 GMT -6
In this area of SW Idaho and Eastern Oregon there are quite a few herds that are pure Hereford. There are some sizeable herds of Black and Red Baldy cows with strictly Hereford bulls (mostly horned) on them.
The second largest cow calf producer in the nation has several ranches in this area. Most of those cows are Black Baldy with a few other influences from generations long gone. This ranching enterprise is on a industry leading strict AI program with their heifers and that is mostly Angus from what I have seen.This outfits feeds its own cattle to finish. They also have a clone farm and are cloning such as a 20 year old commercial cow from off of the Bruneau desert and a steer that was outstanding hanging on the rail. They are soon to be construction a large packing plant in the area also.
There are many herds with Blacks and Black Baldy cows with Black bulls some will be Gelb or Simi crosses. We do have a few herds with Red Angus and a few Charolais which are a very small percentage. I know of one large herd in the Owyhees that has a Nelore influence.
As far as percentages go...LOL... I would not guess a count.
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Post by pwbedy on Jan 25, 2015 11:53:16 GMT -6
In my area about 50% Angus or Sim-Angus, 20% Simmental 5% Charolais 5% rainbow herds 10% Baldies 5% Polled Herefords! I'm the only Horned Hereford Breeder in 150 mile radius!
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Post by bookcliff on Jan 25, 2015 12:29:13 GMT -6
around this part of the country............
cows
50% straight Angus (or have been using angus bulls the last 20 or so years anyway) 15% straight other breeds (mostly simmys, herfs and red angus), 25% rainbows and "black-ish" salebarn specials, 10% hereford or simmy influence baldies (5-10 years ago vertually no baldies, shift made from straight blacks to baldies since then)
current bull batterys
50% angus
20% hereford
20% SImmy and Sim-Angus
10% other breeds
% of angus bulls dropping every year,( 10 years ago I would say 80% angus bulls) being steadly replaced equally amongst herefords and simmy extractions , with a few Chars and limmys thrown into the mix. Red Angus bulls seems to not change much, I would say they had 5% of the market 10 years ago and probalby still the same today- mostly on outfits that are straight red angus or diong a red angus-red simmy cross.
as far as the polled verses horned %, would say it's probalby 60-70% horned, balance polled. from what I seen and here around this area along with what we we market here, the guys that use Hereford bulls in general, horned bulls giong to more cow driven ag operations, guys with straight angus cowherds, and the handful of straight commerical hereford operations. in general polled bulls giong to smaller (50-100 cows or less) operations, and guys with crossed up cowherd or simmy and limmy in the mix who are worried about dehorning, and large farming operations where cows are a minor part of their entire operation.
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Post by randy on Jan 26, 2015 9:45:20 GMT -6
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Post by jayh on Jan 27, 2015 10:32:44 GMT -6
Around here its 90% angus cows.
Bulls I would say is a probably around 80% angus but the simmi. is being used here and the Hereford bull ( polled ) is being tried but I hear more and more people that are trying them say they are having problems with birth weight and fertility on the bulls.
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Post by George on Jan 27, 2015 10:54:00 GMT -6
Interested to see what you guys think the commercial cow herd in your local area looks like. Here is my BEST GUESS at what is going on in North Texas/SW Oklahoma right now: I put our area herd at: 25% hodgepodge joseph's coat of many colors crossbreds, 50% Angus or high % Angus, 15% Brangus, 5% Charolais/Charbray, 5% (at most) Hereford. Bulls around here 60% Angus, 25% Charolais, 10% Cow Freshners, 5% Hereford(as best as I can tell of this 5% 75% would be horned and 25% polled). The trend is MORE BLACK and MORE ANGUS so these numbers will probably be like 70% Angus - 15% Brangus in another decade. I would guess the percentage here, a hundred miles south of Glenn, is similar to his assessment - in terms of the cowherd makeup. We have a lot of cowherds of 10-25 head that are mixed and multi breed mongrels here. As far as bull makeup, we don't seem to have nearly the amount of Charolais bulls that Glenn is seeing and I've been seeing more and more Hereford bulls being used on the black cowherds in recent years. The Hereford bull increase seemed to come about at near the same time that the Angus were having to deal with several "new" genetic defects and I have wondered if that was the reason that the black hided breeders were putting the Hereford bulls on their cows - or they were just hoping to cash in on the hot black baldie market. |
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Post by shiloh on Feb 6, 2015 7:32:20 GMT -6
I can't really say what goes on around here yet, but I know within an hour radius of Spencer, Nebraska, it's about 75% commercial "black cows" most people think they're angus, but it's a hodge podge of angus, saler, Simmental, Maine, probably holstien, and who knows what else. About 25% BWF cows, few RWF and Herefords mixed in, 3 Hereford ranches, 2 Charolais ranches (one also had a few red angus. His Charolais cows probably averaged 1950, a couple were 2300. He also farmed though, so he had the corn. The other was also a dairy) Anyways, 1 clubby breeder, and 1 "red angus" (I'm pretty sure they were about 1/3 shorthorn, but they were commercial anyway). There was also a guy who had about 10 nice registered shorthorn cows.
For bulls it was mostly "angus" (many with scurrs, white bellies, or funny looking heads, but they were black) then Hereford, some Charolais, and a few Salers.
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