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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 16, 2014 12:49:03 GMT -6
According to the sale results, Miles Mckee's progeny brought over $290,000 at the Sullivan sale.
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Post by fivestarherefords on Dec 16, 2014 12:55:14 GMT -6
According to the sale results, Miles Mckee's progeny brought over $290,000 at the Sullivan sale. The majority of it is funny money in my opinion. I'm about fed up with the charade. If they removed the performance pedigree link from Herfnet for good it is obviously to further cover up the fiasco they call EPD's. |
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Post by LoneHerf on Dec 16, 2014 13:54:59 GMT -6
In my opinion I think that total could have been accumulated with any sire. Not bashing Miles just saying with the marketing and program Sullivan's run they could have replicated the results pretty easily.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 15:10:17 GMT -6
According to the sale results, Miles Mckee's progeny brought over $290,000 at the Sullivan sale. The majority of it is funny money in my opinion. I'm about fed up with the charade. If they removed the performance pedigree link from Herfnet for good it is obviously to further cover up the fiasco they call EPD's. I noticed this too, is it confirmed that the performance pedigree link is not going to be on the online pedigrees anymore? If so that is a damn shame, I think the information on those are very valuable especially researching WW and YW ratios and if you are lucky maybe someone reported frame and scrotal info too. Might have to shoot Jack Ward a note on this to get the reason why it was removed. Hoping it's just a glitch with the new EPDs they added and the link comes back soon but who knows. The performance pedigree information is more relevant than the actual EPD numbers are |
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Post by Glenn on Dec 16, 2014 15:18:31 GMT -6
I thought I explained it in the other post. Lol.
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Post by Glenn on Dec 16, 2014 15:24:33 GMT -6
One more time. I am sure it was a glitch with the new EPD and how the boxes "tied" to each other. Once they get it fixed they should be back up.
Sometimes I think I'm talking to myself in here.
And another thing, as much as I bash on the AHA, that particular deal (the performance pedigree) is a nice deal the association provides for us. To get that from AAA (Angus) you have to pay a fee for each performance pedigree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:13:48 GMT -6
One more time. I am sure it was a glitch with the new EPD and how the boxes "tied" to each other. Once they get it fixed they should be back up. Sometimes I think I'm talking to myself in here. And another thing, as much as I bash on the AHA, that particular deal (the performance pedigree) is a nice deal the association provides for us. To get that from AAA (Angus) you have to pay a fee for each performance pedigree.
I think I saw you say that Glenn, just wasn't sure if anyone had actually confirmed that with someone at AHA or if it was just an assumption.
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Post by Glenn on Dec 16, 2014 16:17:33 GMT -6
It is an assumption. I feel confident but I for sure could be wrong. Lol
Just seems strange with me "defending" AHA and you guys doubting!! Lol
Seems backwards!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:36:40 GMT -6
It is an assumption. I feel confident but I for sure could be wrong. Lol Just seems strange with me "defending" AHA and you guys doubting!! Lol Seems backwards!!! I'm going to shoot Jack an email and see what kind of response I get about it. You never know... |
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Post by George on Dec 17, 2014 8:24:11 GMT -6
Regarding Miles McKee, I think a couple of other breeders came on board as owners after the initial purchase in Colyer's sale. The publicity of a bull selling for that kind of price has been of great benefit to all involved.
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 17, 2014 8:44:21 GMT -6
I remember when MY Dad first seen the news about Miles McKee selling a 3/4 interest for over $600,000.00. My Dad said: "Paul U Haven't raised anything that POOR LOOKIN since U Started in purebred cattle & If that bull is worth 600 thousand Wet Diver should be worth 5 million!" It's hard 2 forget the comments of that old man who don't know pedigrees!
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Post by George on Dec 17, 2014 9:29:47 GMT -6
I remember when MY Dad first seen the news about Miles McKee selling a 3/4 interest for over $600,000.00. My Dad said: "Paul U Haven't raised anything that POOR LOOKIN since U Started in purebred cattle & If that bull is worth 600 thousand Wet Diver should be worth 5 million!" It's hard 2 forget the comments of that old man who don't know pedigrees! POOR LOOKIN? LOL! All Miles McKee did was win Grand Championships at two National Shows. Just proves your Dad doesn't know much about cattle in general, and it appears that the apple didn't fall that far from the tree, based on the cow that you chose to flush. |
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 17, 2014 11:14:52 GMT -6
I remember when MY Dad first seen the news about Miles McKee selling a 3/4 interest for over $600,000.00. My Dad said: "Paul U Haven't raised anything that POOR LOOKIN since U Started in purebred cattle & If that bull is worth 600 thousand Wet Diver should be worth 5 million!" It's hard 2 forget the comments of that old man who don't know pedigrees! POOR LOOKIN? LOL! All Miles McKee did was win Grand Championships at two National Shows. Just proves your Dad doesn't know much about cattle in general, and it appears that the apple didn't fall that far from the tree, based on the cow that you chose to flush. Well He sure looked like he had a bad back & no meat on his hind quarter & a Huge POT BELLY in that picture after the sale Not2 mention a really Peaked ass! |
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Post by George on Dec 17, 2014 11:46:31 GMT -6
POOR LOOKIN? LOL! All Miles McKee did was win Grand Championships at two National Shows. Just proves your Dad doesn't know much about cattle in general, and it appears that the apple didn't fall that far from the tree, based on the cow that you chose to flush. Well He sure looked like he had a bad back & no meat on his hind quarter & a Huge POT BELLY in that picture after the sale Not2 mention a really Peaked ass! I was quick to say that he was a little too loose framed for my taste, looking at his sale video, but I've had a couple of pretty good breeders tell me that he was the thickest Hereford bull that they had ever seen. I've wanted to go over to Iron Lake to see him in person, but I haven't made it there yet. As I said, he had good enough phenotype to win 2 National Shows. Time will tell what kind of a breeding bull he will be - and if there is any value there beyond the showring. |
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Post by strojanherefords on Dec 17, 2014 12:36:47 GMT -6
Regarding Miles McKee, I think a couple of other breeders came on board as owners after the initial purchase in Colyer's sale. The publicity of a bull selling for that kind of price has been of great benefit to all involved. Miles Mckee progeny have brought so much money not because they are or are not good cattle but because he was the bull that brought so much money. If I remember correctly, Stockman was the pick of the litter not Mckee. All this big money is great for the breeders involved but in the fun farmers will ruin the breed. |
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Post by picketwire on Dec 17, 2014 14:15:52 GMT -6
I was remembering it that way as well and to this day I like stockman better, but you can't argue miles is definitely the 'pretty boy' of the two.
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Post by George on Dec 17, 2014 15:16:53 GMT -6
I was remembering it that way as well and to this day I like stockman better, but you can't argue miles is definitely the 'pretty boy' of the two. No doubt in my mind that I would choose Stockman over Miles McKee to AI my cows. |
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Post by elkwc on Dec 17, 2014 21:00:05 GMT -6
I plan to look at some of his progeny soon. Will post a comment after I see them in person.
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 18, 2014 12:47:40 GMT -6
POOR LOOKIN? LOL! All Miles McKee did was win Grand Championships at two National Shows. Just proves your Dad doesn't know much about cattle in general, and it appears that the apple didn't fall that far from the tree, based on the cow that you chose to flush. Well He sure looked like he had a bad back & no meat on his hind quarter & a Huge POT BELLY in that picture after the sale Not2 mention a really Peaked ass! I've stood next to the bull in the makeup area at Denver last year while helping Gus up on the hill and I would damn sure not call him peaked assed. personally he ain't my kinda bull but nevertheless he actually carried quite a bit more muscle down thru his stifle and to his hock than what I expected one I actually saw him both standing and on the move. |
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 18, 2014 12:50:47 GMT -6
But U know ALL it takes is bad Photos!
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Post by picketwire on Dec 18, 2014 21:06:00 GMT -6
Never judge a photo.
I have absolutely nothing bad to say about miles, I just like stockman better. Miles appears to do lots of things right and it will be very interesting to get more feedback from those fortunate to see progeny, both fitted and not, and see how each bull turns out as far as ability to sire quality.
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Post by oldduffer on Dec 19, 2014 8:58:09 GMT -6
Let's cut through the chase here. It's impossible to tell if this bull is worth a pound of horse feathers until his daughters wean their 5th or 6th calf under commercial conditions.
Having had the opportunity to serve as a consultant for a number of seed stock producers; there is very little correlation between the gross sale proceeds reported in the mags and the amount deposited in the bank. Two of my favorite practices to "pump" the sale average are: Issue sales credit certificates for $2,000, $3,000, $5,000/head [you pick the number] to repeat customers and/or prospects that are good only for the day of the sale. The other one that makes me smile are the preprinted sales invoices that have a line called "sellers contribution"; which when added to the "buyers payment" equal the hammer price. Oh yes, then there are the purchase credits given to last years buyers of fat fluffy wrecks that did not make it through the first breeding season. From time to time a bidder with none of the above gets caught up in the excitement of the sale and buys one........all the better for the breeder....cause it's real money! There are some sales funded by upwardly mobile parents that are trying to relive their childhood by buying over priced fluff & puff heifers in hopes of getting their full color picture in the breed mag. Most often not a sound use of "real money" for buyer...only the seller who sleeps good at night...I guess.
Pasture logic tells me: "if it ain't cash.........it's bull shit...............oh, and remember to take your boots to the sale."
Who you buy your bull from is a heck of a lot more important that which bull you buy.
"I may not be right..............................but I'm dam sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 19, 2014 15:00:33 GMT -6
That's exactly right. Furthermore, the same can be said in regards to cattle toughted as worth xyz because a 1/4 interest sold for ABC.
No, the are only worth abc until the other 3/4 interest has been actually been sold and thus truly defining xyz
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Post by randy on Dec 19, 2014 21:52:00 GMT -6
Hmmmm.... I stood next to Mark Cooper and watched him bring $600k. We both thought the bull looked pretty good. They were live at $595 with another group that maybe were thinking the buy from a different angle. Hmmm.... To ask the question was he a good buy at $600k? Maybe that has already been answered. From some angles he may have been one of the best buys in a very long time.
Now about the cattle. The place where this bull grew up is no cream puff place. Where they summer that cowherd in no cream puff place. "The Colyer Clan" Ray & Bonnie. Guy & Sherry, Ray Shaffer, Kyle and Bobby and Adan Juarez have taken a place that wouldn't grow good rocks or knee high brush and made it work. Like them or not you have to admire them for getting many things done that few before them ever have.
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Post by picketwire on Dec 19, 2014 23:12:00 GMT -6
well said, Randy.
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