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Post by pwbedy on Dec 16, 2014 20:12:14 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!! I think her teats are out of control. She should be culled or at the vary least a commercial cow. The breed doesn't need any of that! Her Daughters have small Teats & they're tremendous cows! Besides & I think 2much milk aint a bad problem 2have & Her calf still could suck all the teats without a problem!
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Post by George on Dec 17, 2014 9:17:07 GMT -6
Not2 mention that that the mother of these calves is a 3rd generation cow of 70LB BW - 800LB WW without creep feed& carries a 1400LB WT with a 7 body score on just hay in 20 - 50below winters without a barn 2 run in! Researching those "3 generations", I see no evidence of longevity and especially fertility. Extended calving intervals in the last two generaations. Excess milk can certainly be a factor in that.
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 17, 2014 11:10:42 GMT -6
This Maternal Brother of these calves Semen Tested 80% Live at a year of age & PWB Sailing Jami Has produced as many as 25 eggs on 1 embryo flush! Attachments:
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Post by George on Dec 17, 2014 11:24:05 GMT -6
This Maternal Brother of these calves Semen Tested 80% Live at a year of age & PWB Sailing Jami Has produced as many as 25 eggs on 1 embryo flush! PWB Sailing Jami also had a 13 1/2 month calving interval between her first two calves - and no recorded calves in 3 1/2 years - including all these ET "wonders" that you are advertising. Her dam, PWB Diamond Jami, had a 19 month calving interval between her first two calves and had no recorded calves after them. If you culled her after failing to rebreed on time the second time, you were correct.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 11:38:59 GMT -6
Pwbedy,
I am trying to look up your holy moly and duke calves, are they registered? The ones you valued so high
Thanks
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Post by hxh on Dec 17, 2014 12:38:59 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!! You brought up the udder on your cow....why. Have you heard some complaints. If you have you might ask why
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 17, 2014 12:55:54 GMT -6
Pwbedy, I am trying to look up your holy moly and duke calves, are they registered? The ones you valued so high Thanks They are in the Process at the AHA. I called yesterday 2 check on the status of their paperwork & They just found it in their Mail Stack yesterday!
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 17, 2014 13:06:41 GMT -6
This Maternal Brother of these calves Semen Tested 80% Live at a year of age & PWB Sailing Jami Has produced as many as 25 eggs on 1 embryo flush! PWB Sailing Jami also had a 13 1/2 month calving interval between her first two calves - and no recorded calves in 3 1/2 years - including all these ET "wonders" that you are advertising. Her dam, PWB Diamond Jami, had a 19 month calving interval between her first two calves and had no recorded calves after them. If you culled her after failing to rebreed on time the second time, you were correct. Actually PWB Diamond Jami had a Bull calf 11months after PWB Sailing Jami but the fine fellow who was boarding my cattle that winter Stole 4 cows with calves at side from me & PWB Diamond Jami was 1of those4 missing cows! It was big hit 2my program losing 4 out of 14 cow/calf pairs 2a thief! Besides I just didn't register calves for 2yrs so I didn't bother2 report them! However I'm currently using PWB Sailing Jami's inbred daughters as recips!
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 18, 2014 12:53:38 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!! I think her teats are out of control. She should be culled or at the vary least a commercial cow. The breed doesn't need any of that!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 13:11:41 GMT -6
On the earlier topic about overpriced animals based on the sire they are out of, I follow a group on Facebook where people post Herefords for sale (seen Glenn post some there too and probably some others here might follow it too) and ran into a doozie of one on there the other week. Someone was asking $40,000 for a bull sired by Mr. Hereford that wasn't anything special looking but since Mr. Hereford is deceased now apparently thought he could cash in on that. Some of the comments were fun to read. I'll see if I can find it and share here for those that haven't seen it yet...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 13:35:52 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!![/quote] I'm just curious, how would you score the udder on your donor cow?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 13:43:43 GMT -6
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 18, 2014 13:50:02 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!! I'm just curious, how would you score the udder on your donor cow? [/quote] I Score it as level, well attatched in front & rear Her teats are a bit on the large side but only 4the first 5 days after calving! After 5 days Her teats retract 2 being a lot smaller in size!
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Post by fivestarherefords on Dec 18, 2014 14:25:39 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!! I'm just curious, how would you score the udder on your donor cow? I Score it as level, well attatched in front & rear Her teats are a bit on the large side but only 4the first 5 days after calving! After 5 days Her teats retract 2 being a lot smaller in size![/quote] Those are the only days that it really matters what size they are!
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Post by oakcreekfarm on Dec 18, 2014 14:46:26 GMT -6
lets all be honest here, we all wish we could get those type of prices from the bulls we raise. Whether it be $10,000 or $40,000. I know that I have not yet had a calf hit either one for that matter. All it takes is for one person to think a calf is good enough, you may not, but somebody did.
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Post by hph on Dec 18, 2014 14:49:46 GMT -6
What U mean? I'm Proud of My Donor Cow She's a great Milker & Her teats aint out of control like some ppl claim & we know PWB Sailing Jami's Daughters will MILK!!! I'm just curious, how would you score the udder on your donor cow? I Score it as level, well attatched in front & rear Her teats are a bit on the large side but only 4the first 5 days after calving! After 5 days Her teats retract 2 being a lot smaller in size![/quote] Try calving a few hundred like that in a month. They're apt to look a lot worse at day five. On the bright side, you wouldn't have to buy much vaccine at weaning time.
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Post by Glenn on Dec 18, 2014 14:53:54 GMT -6
hph send me your full name and location in PM. Thanks
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Post by jayh on Dec 18, 2014 15:39:03 GMT -6
Not saying good , bad , or whatever but In my (limited) experience unless they are like coke bottles the teats are functional and the calf will get her sucked down. Now that being said I like udders on my cows to look like this. I have had a few bad udder cows and they continued here until they were a problem but relly only had 1 that I had issues with and she was 14 when that that happened.
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Post by jayh on Dec 18, 2014 15:50:47 GMT -6
bad udder on this cow but have never had any issues. she is 13
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 18, 2014 16:13:51 GMT -6
Argue All U want But I could calve out 500 Jami Cows & never have a worry cuz the calf had no trouble sucking & I never had2 milk her out 1ce! & the calf was only 60# at birth & still didn't have trouble gettin the tit in her mouth! Besides that cow with GOOD udder as u call it looks like she would wean a calf at 400 at 205 days when mine will wean hers at 700 in only 160 days! so U can talk about Udder quality But I'll Tell U about Milk Production!!!!
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Post by jayh on Dec 18, 2014 18:19:31 GMT -6
Argue All U want But I could calve out 500 Jami Cows & never have a worry cuz the calf had no trouble sucking & I never had2 milk her out 1ce! & the calf was only 60# at birth & still didn't have trouble gettin the tit in her mouth! Besides that cow with GOOD udder as u call it looks like she would wean a calf at 400 at 205 days when mine will wean hers at 700 in only 160 days! so U can talk about Udder quality But I'll Tell U about Milk Production!!!! I would love to see a 700 lb calf out of yours with only grass. She weaned off a 560 lb heifers last spring and has another good heifer this time. This particular cow got bred and calved at 19 months. And bred back. I was defending you not bashing your cows teats
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Post by hxh on Dec 18, 2014 19:30:53 GMT -6
You might have fallen in love with this cow, but I'd be danged if I'd make her a donor cow. I could not with a straight face promote her. Then to take it a step further why would someone breed her to a bull whose mother you couldn't udder score her. I could give her a bag score. When I saw 719's mother she was only around six and it was already a BAG. www.hereford.org/node/314
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 18, 2014 21:11:40 GMT -6
Argue All U want But I could calve out 500 Jami Cows & never have a worry cuz the calf had no trouble sucking & I never had2 milk her out 1ce! & the calf was only 60# at birth & still didn't have trouble gettin the tit in her mouth! Besides that cow with GOOD udder as u call it looks like she would wean a calf at 400 at 205 days when mine will wean hers at 700 in only 160 days! so U can talk about Udder quality But I'll Tell U about Milk Production!!!! I would love to see a 700 lb calf out of yours with only grass. She weaned off a 560 lb heifers last spring and has another good heifer this time. This particular cow got bred and calved at 19 months. And bred back. I was defending you not bashing your cows teats I Sincerely Apologize 4 the misunderstanding!
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Post by bookcliff on Dec 18, 2014 23:13:16 GMT -6
[quote author=" hph" Try calving a few hundred like that in a month. They're apt to look a lot worse at day five. On the bright side, you wouldn't have to buy much vaccine at weaning time.[/quote] I'd calved as many as 500 in a month before and from personal expereince and if they got bottles a'dangling, they usually wind up blowning em out and/or getting mastitus and giong hard because there just weren't enough hours in the day to be screwing around running cows with coke bottles into the chute and milking em out to save the quarters a calf couldn't get onto the first couple days, that is if they even anywhere near a chute in the first place. consquently, they found themselves getting shipped pretty quick. experiences tend to shape opinions and I guess mine have made me pretty hard on cows that have potential issues or have become one already, especially since a majority of my customer base won't tolerate em either.
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Post by pwbedy on Dec 19, 2014 10:56:26 GMT -6
[quote author=" hph" Try calving a few hundred like that in a month. They're apt to look a lot worse at day five. On the bright side, you wouldn't have to buy much vaccine at weaning time. I'd calved as many as 500 in a month before and from personal expereince and if they got bottles a'dangling, they usually wind up blowning em out and/or getting mastitus and giong hard because there just weren't enough hours in the day to be screwing around running cows with coke bottles into the chute and milking em out to save the quarters a calf couldn't get onto the first couple days, that is if they even anywhere near a chute in the first place. consquently, they found themselves getting shipped pretty quick. experiences tend to shape opinions and I guess mine have made me pretty hard on cows that have potential issues or have become one already, especially since a majority of my customer base won't tolerate em either.[/quote] I've Culled alot of bad bags in my Herd same as I did prolapsers & nonmilkers & abandoning mothers & poor structure & runts But evrey1 of my cows calfs on her own & never has 2b milked out because I'm gonna get my sleep during the calfing season!
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