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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 8:41:58 GMT -6
I can fix udders in my cows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 9:04:47 GMT -6
So who did they give the password to the epd computer calculator machiney?
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 9:12:25 GMT -6
?? Man you got me all kinds of confused!!!
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 9:14:20 GMT -6
I see it now. Udder suspension and teat size EPDs
Whoop - t - dooo
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 9:19:50 GMT -6
In only 5 minutes looking I can see how accurate these are......jeesh
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 9:33:08 GMT -6
I'm so dumb and pay so little attention to the EPDs that I don't know, but are the other (BW-WW-YW) updated as well? Or were the Fall 2014's already out?
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Post by quackingduck on Nov 26, 2014 12:12:38 GMT -6
Long way to go, eh?
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Nov 26, 2014 13:54:51 GMT -6
I just looked at mine, WOW they are totally screw up, carcass data gone berserk, one of my old cow just went from the worst in the breed to the best in the breed. I love epd’s
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 16:36:56 GMT -6
Now you see em now you don't!!! LOL I bet they didn't intend that for our eyes!!!!!
oh crud!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 18:12:16 GMT -6
This am I was going thru emails and saw the one the AHA sends out... usually just delete it but I saw where John Alexander had 3 bulls listed among all the elite semen sellers so I thought it would be interesting to see the pedigrees. Anyhow saw their epd's and the tit/susp epd's and thought that was interesting so did a search to see leaders for the new epds. Saw a bull on first page of results that was sired by a bull that throws neat bags but bottom half of pedigree was the definition of problem bags... it had to be all screwed up either that or the sire of said bull can disolve bad bag genes. Like rocky said carcass epds were all messed up... they must of gave the password to the same guys that rolled out the Obamacare website? (Not that I ever looked but heard on tv )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 18:24:28 GMT -6
Was just forwarded a copy of the AHA office memo big rim sent out before the holiday break... Said he would come to work today and handle the new bag epd rollout.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 18:43:18 GMT -6
LOL
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 18:50:23 GMT -6
If the numbers we saw earlier were correct, then I just don't know how they can even be believable. Just comparing cows in my herd I see one with a bad udder that has a score higher than some pretty good uddered cows in my herd. That in itself would be believable but I have been turning in scores on these cows and I know I have been turning in much lower scores for the "bad" uddered cow than the "good" uddered cows. It sure must have a lot of bias built in for pedigree if it can outweigh actual poor scores being submitted? My guess is the numbers we saw had to be incorrect.
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Post by bookcliff on Nov 26, 2014 19:23:03 GMT -6
nothing like building an EPD off of visually subjective data when we still have to have classes put on to teach people how to properly capture and turn in weights in this breed.
futhermore, how can these new numbers have any accuracy given one major factor. we have never before this year in this breed split up suspenion from teat size in the udder scoring system used to submit data to AHA since they started collecting it yeara ago.
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Post by hrndherf on Nov 26, 2014 19:53:44 GMT -6
nothing like building an EPD off of visually subjective data when we still have to have classes put on to teach people how to properly capture and turn in weights in this breed. futhermore, how can these new numbers have any accuracy given one major factor. we have never before this year in this breed split up suspenion from teat size in the udder scoring system used to submit data to AHA since they started collecting it yeara ago. Just looked through what I have been submitting to AHA. Looks like I started submitting 2 scores on the 2009 calf crop.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 20:34:32 GMT -6
It's been 2 as long as I have been TPR but that was about 2010, I think. Wasn't aware it was only 1 score before.
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Post by bookcliff on Nov 26, 2014 22:21:24 GMT -6
It's been 2 as long as I have been TPR but that was about 2010, I think. Wasn't aware it was only 1 score before. don't know about if you submit them electronically, as I still do the paper submission as I don't have much use for the electronic program AHA uses (i do use the Angus electronic system however for my wifes families data--light years ahead of our system),but everything up and including the forms they sent me and anyone else using the paper forms for the 2014 calf crop only use the old system of one total score for the udder and that has been the way those forms have been ever since they started collecting udder score data years ago and before myherd came into being.
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Post by Glenn on Nov 26, 2014 22:59:49 GMT -6
Yes I do it on computer. Would be interesting to know how they have been using data submitted as one score.
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Post by picketwire on Nov 27, 2014 5:22:25 GMT -6
You all realize it is turkey day, not saying there is a correlation or anything. . . I, for one, don't plan on staring at the sky with my mouth open or standing downwind of a gassy mule on a breezy day. Sage advice I once received from a wise old breeder or was it an old wise @$$? Anyhow, hope all enjoy the day.
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Post by Carlos (frmaiz) on Nov 27, 2014 7:06:14 GMT -6
I can fix udders in my cows. I was expecting some kind of implants or surgery!
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Nov 28, 2014 20:29:31 GMT -6
Now you see em now you don't!!! LOL I bet they didn't intend that for our eyes!!!!! oh crud!!!! Damn! I was all ready to flush my new epd wonder.
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Post by nicky on Nov 28, 2014 22:05:31 GMT -6
So for those of us who are commercial breeders...what are you talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 10:30:12 GMT -6
So for those of us who are commercial breeders...what are you talking about? Exactly! We're talking about one of the cockamamee schemes to look like the commercial outfit needs a registered guy... when in reality most Com outfits are based on practicality and common sense and would probably be better off without them. Edited: what I was talking about anyhow.
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Post by mehf on Nov 29, 2014 11:16:17 GMT -6
Sadly, reading the above comments on inaccurate udder EPD scores and other information received by many from the AHA-HQ, I am just wondering if it is not the time to replace the director of herd improvement with a dedicated Hereford individual?
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Post by timbernt on Nov 29, 2014 12:49:50 GMT -6
No reason to be sad about stating the obvious. I see no reason to wait until he is offered the Angus job.
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