talin
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Post by talin on Oct 22, 2014 15:01:01 GMT -6
I almost went to the Eng conference on cow calf "feeder" operations did anyone go? Sounds like 2-3 pairs per acre with supplemental feeding cheaper than buying land that can't be deducted any thoughts
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Post by Glenn on Oct 22, 2014 15:27:13 GMT -6
I only had to do one calculation to see it wouldn't work here. $1138.80 per year in hay costs per cow. Nothing else just hay.
Poor to medium hay is $150 a ton here. Perhaps the math works better where hay is available for decent price.
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Oct 22, 2014 20:07:53 GMT -6
comes up a little different when I do the math.
If one cow needs 15 acres for one year @ 10,000 an acre = 150,000 divided by 1138.80 hay cost for a year roughly goes 131 times. So for the price of buying land to feed one cow will feed hay for one cow 131 years or ten cows for 13 years or.....
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Post by Glenn on Oct 22, 2014 20:32:53 GMT -6
Land don't cost $10,000 an acre here
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Post by Glenn on Oct 22, 2014 20:34:10 GMT -6
Plus with land you have a residual value that has probably actually increased. Once hay is eaten. It's just shit then you got money to try to manage that.
Not really that hard
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Post by rockmillsherefords on Oct 22, 2014 20:55:28 GMT -6
yeah lot's of things to take into account, basic principle might work for some, always got to look at the big picture.
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talin
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Post by talin on Oct 22, 2014 20:58:34 GMT -6
Its interesting apparently there are fabric barns that are housing cows in the corn belt geuss it's a way to make cheap corn into expensive cows although I have enough problems keeping everyone healthy at 10 acres per pair can't believe your profit won't end up with the vets and pharmaceutical companies
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Post by Glenn on Oct 22, 2014 21:01:07 GMT -6
I'm sure interested in trying to improve stocking rate as I think that has real potential to help. I don't dismiss the idea in areas where feed is cheaper.
I myself have planted winter wheat to see if I can increase my carrying capacity with more of a winter/summer geazing arrangement as opposed to a 'year round system'. I'm sure it'll take me a few years to assess if it might work or not.
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Post by Glenn on Oct 22, 2014 21:03:00 GMT -6
Excellent points, Talin. And add to that the 'public distaste' for anything deemed factory farming.
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Post by oldduffer on Oct 23, 2014 9:33:31 GMT -6
Buying land..........
Land is generally not a cash flow enhancer; it is a wealth builder.
"I may not be right.....................................but I'm dam sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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talin
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Post by talin on Oct 23, 2014 9:47:53 GMT -6
I struggle with land is it a wealth builder or a legacy builder? In Oklahoma my understanding is the land is not taxed to the next generation why we see the large farms growing with multiple generations. I bought property and a bond would of been easier it's always something but it's part of diversification with inflation soon to rear it's head the old adage own things not money is good advice
The cow intensification is very interesting my next plan is maximizing what I have with fertilizer and herbicides not ready for hot house cows and I sure hope it fails or Tyson will be signing contracts for slave labor
I am going to have to find if there are proceedings from the conference
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Post by talin on Oct 23, 2014 9:51:25 GMT -6
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