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Post by George on May 31, 2014 17:38:31 GMT -6
Who is going?www.herefordgeneticsummit.com/ Schedule Thursday, September 4 1:30-3 p.m. — Registration, Darr Center 3 p.m. — Charting Our Course, Craig Huffhines and Jack Ward 4 p.m. — Yesterday’s Lessons, Today’s Decisions, Tomorrow’s Opportunities, Kevin Ochsner 6 p.m. — Hereford Tailgate Party and Taste of Missouri Friday, September 5 Breakfast buffet available at hotel 8 a.m. — Buses leave hotel 8:30 a.m. — Navigating Our Future, Kevin Ochsner 8:45 a.m. — Understanding the Consumer 10 a.m. — Break 10:20 a.m. — Economic Drivers of the Beef Industry 11:30 a.m. — Lunch buffet 12:30 p.m. — The Value of Hereford Genetics in the Commercial Industry 1:45 p.m. — Your Responsibility as a Seedstock Producer 3 p.m. — Break 3:20 p.m. — Get on Board, Kevin Ochsner 4:15 p.m. — Buses to hotel 5:30 p.m. — Load buses at hotel for Showboat Branson Belle 7-11 p.m. — Evening aboard Showboat Branson Belle * An alternate program will be available Friday morning that will include a tour of the Springfield Botanical Gardens and a culinary bootcamp that will feature Certified Hereford Beef and wine tasting.
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Post by bookcliff on May 31, 2014 19:45:05 GMT -6
as I "chart my course" to "navigate my future" it isn't giong to be in Springfield
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Post by kph on May 31, 2014 22:36:34 GMT -6
With all the bellyacheing that's been going on here there better d@mn well be a pretty good representation of "Hereford Talkers" there. This summit is set up to discuss exactly the issues that have been most prevalent on here."basics of consumer demand, what is driving beef industry economics, how Herefords fit in the commercial industry today and the role of a seedstock producer." Don't get me wrong, there have been some real good ideas put forth and well expressed, but when they give you the podium you ask for it's time to put up or shut up!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2014 23:18:30 GMT -6
I've attended (and stood at the podium with microphone in hand) my fill of AHA summits/conferences/meetings/symposiums/councils/pow wows/coffee clatches/revivals/etc. However, to my knowledge I've yet to experience a cotillion. Maybe I'll be so lucky someday. As for this latest summit, I've already tailgated in and had a taste of Missouri. Our outfit has done Charted Our Course (at least for this year), learned some lessons from Yesterday, suffered/benefitted from Today’s Decisions, and hoping a few of Tomorrow’s Opportunities fall in our lap. I have a good atlas sitting right here to help me navigate my future, and if all else fails I'll just ask my wife what I should do next. She's never wrong. I've also never been on a showboat, but a few summers ago my wife and I were visiting some friends on the Lake of the Ozarks. Well, as fate would have it some college boys let me ride with them on one of those really cool cigarette boats thru the heart of something called party cove. Now they don't call it party cove for nothing, and nothing is what alot of them were wearing. I guess you could call that a "show boat" because what I witnessed brought a whole new meaning to the world of performance. Finally, I don't really like wine, so I guess I'll miss the summit. Those who attend please take good notes.
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Post by bookcliff on Jun 1, 2014 6:39:39 GMT -6
With all the bellyacheing that's been going on here there better d@mn well be a pretty good representation of "Hereford Talkers" there. This summit is set up to discuss exactly the issues that have been most prevalent on here."basics of consumer demand, what is driving beef industry economics, how Herefords fit in the commercial industry today and the role of a seedstock producer." Don't get me wrong, there have been some real good ideas put forth and well expressed, but when they give you the podium you ask for it's time to put up or shut up! I don't want this to come of a demeaning and it probably come off that way but if it takes a trip to the ozarks in September for a person to understand the basics of consumer demand, the economics of this industry and how herefords fit in the commerical sector and roles of a "seedstock" rpducer then that person probably doesn't got any business selling genetics to the commercial industry. this is giong to be a really harsh statement, but I have always be of the belief that before a feller gets into the seedstock industy there should be a law that he had better have run commerical cows and played with feeders and fats first. Oh and have to agree with the Hug boys. |
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Post by George on Jun 1, 2014 8:07:56 GMT -6
After news of this summit was released, I had a lot of interest in attending - until I saw the schedule. It appears to be more of a party/social than an actual summit.
I have decided to spend a couple of days just visiting the herds of other breeders instead.
And leave the drinking and riverboat rides to those who get a kick out of those things. Probably the best for all concerned since I have a great propensity to rock the boat!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 13:03:00 GMT -6
With all the bellyacheing that's been going on here there better d@mn well be a pretty good representation of "Hereford Talkers" there. This summit is set up to discuss exactly the issues that have been most prevalent on here."basics of consumer demand, what is driving beef industry economics, how Herefords fit in the commercial industry today and the role of a seedstock producer." Don't get me wrong, there have been some real good ideas put forth and well expressed, but when they give you the podium you ask for it's time to put up or shut up! Well, if you think the comments and concerns posted on here are "bellyaching", what makes you think those in Springfield will think any different. It is pretty obvious that those who are "bellyaching" on here have a pretty good grasp on the basics of consumer demand, Herefords value in the commercial industry, and the role of a seedstock producer. How many of these summit type meetings have you been to? Most of us 'bellyaching" have been to many of these "breed direction" events, President's council meetings, annual meeting, and had private meetings and phone conversations with AHA presidents and board members, voicing our concerns. We aren't just hiding here on Hereford Talk. On one of these summit occasions, they had us break up into discussion groups of 7-8 people. Each group had an AHA director in it as well. When I started talking about feed efficiency and carcass quality, the director in our group eyes started to glaze over. He had no interest are idea what I was talking about and obviously wasn't interested in learning either. I really don't need to pay $150 and a trip to Springfield to be preached at about these topics. I hope those that go will get something out of it worth the time and expense. As for getting to speak you piece at the podium, those who need to listen won't. Please give us a copy of the speech you give after you get to the podium in Springfield. I'm sure all of us "bellyachers" will learn a lot. Don't tell us we are bellyaching in one sentence, then tell us the ideas are good, we just need to speak up. A lot of us have spoken up many times, so you might want to step back a little before you tell us to put up or SHUT UP! There are guys on here who have stuck their necks out more than once out of concern for this breed, this association, and this industry. |
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Post by kph on Jun 1, 2014 17:44:51 GMT -6
With all the bellyacheing that's been going on here there better d@mn well be a pretty good representation of "Hereford Talkers" there. This summit is set up to discuss exactly the issues that have been most prevalent on here."basics of consumer demand, what is driving beef industry economics, how Herefords fit in the commercial industry today and the role of a seedstock producer." Don't get me wrong, there have been some real good ideas put forth and well expressed, but when they give you the podium you ask for it's time to put up or shut up! Well, if you think the comments and concerns posted on here are "bellyaching", what makes you think those in Springfield will think any different. It is pretty obvious that those who are "bellyaching" on here have a pretty good grasp on the basics of consumer demand, Herefords value in the commercial industry, and the role of a seedstock producer. How many of these summit type meetings have you been to? Most of us 'bellyaching" have been to many of these "breed direction" events, President's council meetings, annual meeting, and had private meetings and phone conversations with AHA presidents and board members, voicing our concerns. We aren't just hiding here on Hereford Talk. On one of these summit occasions, they had us break up into discussion groups of 7-8 people. Each group had an AHA director in it as well. When I started talking about feed efficiency and carcass quality, the director in our group eyes started to glaze over. He had no interest are idea what I was talking about and obviously wasn't interested in learning either. I really don't need to pay $150 and a trip to Springfield to be preached at about these topics. I hope those that go will get something out of it worth the time and expense. As for getting to speak you piece at the podium, those who need to listen won't. Please give us a copy of the speech you give after you get to the podium in Springfield. I'm sure all of us "bellyachers" will learn a lot. Don't tell us we are bellyaching in one sentence, then tell us the ideas are good, we just need to speak up. A lot of us have spoken up many times, so you might want to step back a little before you tell us to put up or SHUT UP! There are guys on here who have stuck their necks out more than once out of concern for this breed, this association, and this industry. No, I won't be going. I'm not at all the "Political Activist" type, although I appreciate those of you with that gift. Who would care what I say anyway, I'm just a struggling nobody breeder from Minnesota. Those of you with the track record and respect whove been arguing these things in the past, why when they set up a special meeting would you all collectively quit and leave it to the Big Hats and Show guys? If you read Huffhines acticle in April HW about the Summit it's like he's been reading along on here and making a checklist of major concerns.The way I read it this isn't about Them preaching to you, its about them asking for your input. If this is set up as a lecture series then it's my mistake and I wouldn't encourage anyone to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 20:41:01 GMT -6
"Struggling breeder" - I can relate. If the summit helps someone by their attendance, then it is a plus for them. As for me, I'll be standing on the sideline of a football game about the time that showboat sets sail.
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Post by picketwire on Jun 1, 2014 22:07:01 GMT -6
Too late and too far for me to get serious about going to springfield. Haven't seen the april slick yet so I have some catching up to do reading wise. I will venture my opinion that this is the type of event that those who are maybe lacking alittle real world beef business experience need to think about attending. Not that I am any thing close to an expert, but I feel that I possess an above average understanding of the bulk of the program and I have no interest in boats or shows on boats. For those serious about learning the meat and taters type of industry biz hopefully this deal will be a step in the right direction, I hope it creates some value for someone. Ochsner is a sis-boom-bah kind of motivator and if he can't get some good audience participation, no one can. Anyone know If they plan to have some of it on the web deal they have used in years past?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 7:33:12 GMT -6
Who would care what I say anyway, I'm just a struggling nobody breeder..... Welcome to the club. Sorry for my rant yesterday, but this is a touchy subject for me. As for being "activists", what we have done personally just scratches the surface of what the two Toms and others on here have done. They have spent at lot of time, effort, and in some cases, their own money documenting and promoting the value of Hereford genetics in the cattle industry for many years. Not just for their benefit, but for the entire breed. And the big hats didn't want to hear about it. So when it is suggested that if you don't attend this summit you should just keep quiet, that is a little irritating to me. If they really wanted some grass-roots input on the value of Herefords in the commercial industry, one of those guys would be on the list of scheduled speakers. |
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Post by mrvictordomino on Jun 2, 2014 8:09:47 GMT -6
Who would care what I say anyway, I'm just a struggling nobody breeder..... Welcome to the club. Sorry for my rant yesterday, but this is a touchy subject for me. As for being "activists", what we have done personally just scratches the surface of what the two Toms and others on here have done. They have spent at lot of time, effort, and in some cases, their own money documenting and promoting the value of Hereford genetics in the cattle industry for many years. Not just for their benefit, but for the entire breed. And the big hats didn't want to hear about it. So when it is suggested that if you don't attend this summit you should just keep quiet, that is a little irritating to me. If they really wanted some grass-roots input on the value of Herefords in the commercial industry, one of those guys would be on the list of scheduled speakers. Had the opportunity to meet the two Toms and others last summer during KHA tour and I completely agree. Real life experiences in the cattle business and a true love and respect for the breed. I welcome their input and comments anywhere anytime. |
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Post by Glenn on Jun 2, 2014 8:14:45 GMT -6
I can sure relate to everybody's lament of "nobody breeder". I certainly qualify for the moniker if anybody does!
Funny how we all read things differently and I suppose we are all shaped by our past in how we view things.
I read this to be one of those "rah-rah" get on board deals. They are going to have a few speakers to "tell" us how to be better breeders, to "tell" us how to represent the breed. To try to "fire us up" and send us out in the field as "Hereford Representatives". I probably wouldn't be surprised to see them "unveil" some new breed program or initiative (probably with an associated fee...lol) that they want to build support for.
I just did not get the vibe at all that they would be remotely interested in the opinions of some dinky little breeder from Texas.
Just my .02......and surprisingly I have been wrong before.....(LOL)
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Post by talin on Jun 2, 2014 10:12:02 GMT -6
Ok my take albeit cynical it's a business similar to medical meetings you can use pretax dollars maybe learn something and have some fun. The most important business is usually done at dinner if you are buying or selling. Knowledge is obtained by sticking around after the talk and listening to the questions.
In the end those who do don't talk and those who teach don't do but doesn't mean you can't learn something even if it is what not to do
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Post by bookcliff on Jun 2, 2014 11:21:27 GMT -6
good point Talin, a feller usually learns more in the bar after the meeting then during the meeting itself.
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Post by moon on Jun 8, 2014 18:41:21 GMT -6
Even though it is at same time when my Fall calving starts, I will be in attendance as I registered in mid May. It is between 70 and 80 miles from my front gate, and when I have either flown to Carmichaels, driven to Lincoln, NE, or traveled to Stillwater or Kansas City for numerous Hereford meetings, I am not going to be absent when I can be there and back home each day before sundown. Just because they offer a cruise does not mean I have to go with the crowd. This particular boat has run aground before in a freak storm, and news reports across this nation and worldwide have not been cruise friendly as of late. We have all eaten off a tailgate many times when processing calves or baling hay, so I will order mine to go and eat while checking cows when I get home. I understand everybody's frustrations, and many know who funded the last true President's Council meeting at KC out of his own pocket when even HW would not even allow free space for notice of the meeting or agenda. I will be in Springfield to listen, investigate, and take notes. Kinda like scounting the opposing team right Bob H.  ? Or listening to the so called informed at a Jackpot TK!!!!!!! |
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Post by bookcliff on Jun 8, 2014 19:53:40 GMT -6
Even though it is at same time when my Fall calving starts, I will be in attendance as I registered in mid May. It is between 70 and 80 miles from my front gate, and when I have either flown to Carmichaels, driven to Lincoln, NE, or traveled to Stillwater or Kansas City for numerous Hereford meetings, I am not going to be absent when I can be there and back home each day before sundown. Just because they offer a cruise does not mean I have to go with the crowd. This particular boat has run aground before in a freak storm, and news reports across this nation and worldwide have not been cruise friendly as of late. We have all eaten off a tailgate many times when processing calves or baling hay, so I will order mine to go and eat while checking cows when I get home. I understand everybody's frustrations, and many know who funded the last true President's Council meeting at KC out of his own pocket when even HW would not even allow free space for notice of the meeting or agenda. I will be in Springfield to listen, investigate, and take notes. Kinda like scounting the opposing team right Bob H. ? Or listening to the so called informed at a Jackpot TK!!!!!!! for those of you who don't know, Phillip was the one who was president of the last president's council meeting held and it was the most open and eductional presidents council meeting in recent history, what the president's council used to be in the old days. elected by his peers within the various state organizations, he pulled it off even with tremendous opposition from the big rims & office & still getting it done in a manner befitting of what we all know the presidents council can and should be, especially given vertually all the arrangements were done by him and he had to pay for a lions share of it out of his own pocket for it to even occur that year. now there's a lesson in grassroots leadership. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 4:18:21 GMT -6
Now why is the event in Missouri? If they held it in Montana or Colorado you just might get some people to bring their families along for a nice vacation.
Went to a pasture walk last summer that was held by a Murray Grey breeder. The thing broke into two camps almost immediately. On one side you had the rare breed guys and on the other side you have the commercial guys. We couldn't believe they were still in business spending so much money on non essentials and they couldn't believe we spent so little on anything other than the basics. After a few hours of talking past each other most of the commercial guys left shaking their heads.
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Post by bookcliff on Jun 10, 2014 20:50:43 GMT -6
Now why is the event in Missouri? If they held it in Montana or Colorado you just might get some people to bring their families along for a nice vacation. Went to a pasture walk last summer that was held by a Murray Grey breeder. The thing broke into two camps almost immediately. On one side you had the rare breed guys and on the other side you have the commercial guys. We couldn't believe they were still in business spending so much money on non essentials and they couldn't believe we spent so little on anything other than the basics. After a few hours of talking past each other most of the commercial guys left shaking their heads. imagine that, a bunch of "purebred" breeders who don't understand the commercial segment of this business, go figure |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 4:44:54 GMT -6
It is pretty amusing how many misconceptions some of the breeders have about the day to day operations of the commercial herds of over 100 head. When one of them came to visit me we saw over 500 head in about thirty minutes driving around my neighborhood. He was a whole lot quieter that day after we had the opportunity to get real specific about what works and what doesn't.
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Post by timbernt on Jun 11, 2014 6:31:44 GMT -6
Within 100 miles of the conference site there are thousands of cowherds over 100 head. Hundreds of herds over 300 head. Quite a few over a thousand. The conference is in the right location, however, I doubt very much those people will attend to be told how to manage their operation. It kind of irks me that the ones that are considered the experts are the ones that don't have any skin in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 8:57:03 GMT -6
Define skin in the game?
Sorry if I offended the Missouri residents, I have a somewhat jaded attitude courtesy of Ft. Leonard Wood concerning the show me state. haha
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Post by timbernt on Jun 11, 2014 20:57:27 GMT -6
My point is that as the #2 beef cow state, Missouri has a lot of good cow/calf operations. By skin in the game I am talking about those operations and the fact that they aren't very impressed by what is in the Hereford World and a group of motivational speakers. My personal motivation includes a mortgage, and the older I get the less I am interested in a lecture by anyone not actively involved in production agriculture. I have spent as much time as anyone in a classroom, but at this stage in my career the teachers I respect the most are successful ranchers.
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Post by bookcliff on Jun 12, 2014 16:23:30 GMT -6
. My personal motivation includes a mortgage, and the older I get the less I am interested in a lecture by anyone not actively involved in production agriculture. I have spent as much time as anyone in a classroom, but at this stage in my career the teachers I respect the most are successful ranchers. you nailed that one to the barn door Tim. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 3:34:08 GMT -6
My point is that as the #2 beef cow state, Missouri has a lot of good cow/calf operations. By skin in the game I am talking about those operations and the fact that they aren't very impressed by what is in the Hereford World and a group of motivational speakers. My personal motivation includes a mortgage, and the older I get the less I am interested in a lecture by anyone not actively involved in production agriculture. I have spent as much time as anyone in a classroom, but at this stage in my career the teachers I respect the most are successful ranchers. Sounds like you are saying only Missouri cow/calf producers have skin in the game? Also sounds like you were implying I am not involved in production agriculture so I should just shut up and listen? How many tons do you have to export to China before you qualify? Again, I am sorry if I offended the Missouri crowd. I respect those who have attained success in life on the merit of their own travails, no matter what his occupation, race, or religion. When you have attained that kind of success in life you will understand there is no need to insult those who have not. My client list includes Rupert Murdoch, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Prince Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia, etc. However, I have much to learn and always appreciate the wisdom of others no matter their station in life. |
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