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Post by tumblingrunfarm on Apr 21, 2014 21:55:03 GMT -6
I need your honest opinions. The York bull seems to do wonders with his high progeny performance percentages registered to the AHA. His dam is a great looking cow as well . If you were looking for a really good bull, would York be the bull you wanted to use?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 8:44:20 GMT -6
Like I mentioned in my other post, we're going to try him out in our AI program this year. Selecting AI sires is not an exact science especially with younger bulls so there is some trial and error that can go with it. Rausch Herefords and SHF both had York progeny on their production sales so you could look through their catalogs and sale results on their websites if you want some more visuals. I know Rausch has video of every animal on their sales and SHF may too. Rausch also as video on their sires page of most of their bulls in pasture with their calves and I know there is one with York calves. Could just call them too, we just ordered some York semen last week from them and dad had a good conversation with Jerry. We bought our herd bull from their sale a few years ago who is a full sib of their Puckster III 4849 bull that is in the Select Sires stud so usually have some good conversations since we use a lot of their genetics.
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Post by tumblingrunfarm on Apr 22, 2014 10:39:39 GMT -6
I'm going to call down to Knoll Crest Farm and ask them about the calves they have produced sired by YORK.
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Post by bookcliff on Apr 22, 2014 21:15:26 GMT -6
I used Optimum, Heavy Hitter and Interstate back in the day (as well as several other sires in his pedigree like 242, 517, M326) personally I ain't biting off on his .5 BW epd at all. why,a BW ratio just barely under 100 in quite a of the dams represented inhis pedigree, especially considering whose programs are also thus represented don't say much in terms of lowering BW,combined with Hudson bieng an MSU bull and alot of the progeny recorded to him were at MSU, Oshners and Leowens.........well enough said. not saying that he couldn't be the real deal, just based on pedigree and who bred what in that pedigree it is highly unlikely he'll breed like his BW EPD. his calves ratioing 99.5 don't mean much in terms of lowering BW especially given the aformentioned thoughts. As far as the growth numbers, giong back to his pedigree, I would say unlike his BW EPD, they are probably pretty accurate. scrotals prbabaly pretty accurate was well. carcass wise once again based on pedigree i would say your probably get some carcass but not near what his numbers project if your you consider adequate IMF to be consistantly in the 4's (choice quality grade equivilant).
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Post by tumblingrunfarm on Apr 24, 2014 7:50:41 GMT -6
I've decided against using York until I see more progeny. I am going to be using KCF BENNETT INFLUENCE Z80 this year and next year. Next year we will also use NJW 73S M326 Trust 100W ET and a tremendous son of Trust that we tried to purchase this past Saturday, but was runner up. DR Trustworthy 100W A18 ET is the Trust son we are going to use.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 15:08:38 GMT -6
I used Optimum, Heavy Hitter and Interstate back in the day (as well as several other sires in his pedigree like 242, 517, M326) personally I ain't biting off on his .5 BW epd at all. why,a BW ratio just barely under 100 in quite a of the dams represented inhis pedigree, especially considering whose programs are also thus represented don't say much in terms of lowering BW,combined with Hudson bieng an MSU bull and alot of the progeny recorded to him were at MSU, Oshners and Leowens.........well enough said. not saying that he couldn't be the real deal, just based on pedigree and who bred what in that pedigree it is highly unlikely he'll breed like his BW EPD. his calves ratioing 99.5 don't mean much in terms of lowering BW especially given the aformentioned thoughts. As far as the growth numbers, giong back to his pedigree, I would say unlike his BW EPD, they are probably pretty accurate. scrotals prbabaly pretty accurate was well. carcass wise once again based on pedigree i would say your probably get some carcass but not near what his numbers project if your you consider adequate IMF to be consistantly in the 4's (choice quality grade equivilant). I know what you mean about some of those genetics in his pedigree... we used some Heavy Hitter back in the days and wow did his BW EPD skyrocket quickly once the birth weights started getting reported back on him. Loved the looks of his calves though and we raised a Dam of Distinction sired by him that was probably one of most productive cows we've ever raised. Knowing what we know now about Heavy Hitter doubt many would have used him as much as they did. As far as York's BW goes going to trust that SHF and Rausch accurately reported the BW of his progeny they had on their sales which were pretty moderate to low birth weights on those calves. Guess we'll see how it holds up over time, his BW accuracy is .79 and with 177 calves reported BW have to think he's at the very least he's a moderate BW bull and he does have 6 Sires of Distinction in his 3 generation pedigree which says a lot about the rest of his genetics. We've heard some people say they think Revolution is a heavier BW bull than his EPD's would say but everything we've had out of him has been low to moderate birth weight and have used him on heifers with no calving issues so not sure where those rumors have come from.
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Post by tumblingrunfarm on Apr 26, 2014 10:15:37 GMT -6
I know some breeders that used Heavy Hitter and loved the calves, but they had huge birth weights.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 20:22:41 GMT -6
We only got 1 York calf this year but we like the looks of this York bull calf and we got and plan to use York pretty heavy in our AI program this year especially on our Revolution daughters. This is a late February bull calf out of a 1st calf Revolution daughter. He was 82# BW and his maternal grand dam is one of our heaviest BW cows. Downloading some pictures off my camera right now, probably share more here of our other calves and yearling heifers in the next day or so.
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Post by kclark on Apr 11, 2015 21:14:08 GMT -6
York is on my watch list. I want to see daughters in milk and their WW ratios first. I like the heavy dose of 517 in his pedigree that only goes back once through 3008. At least his MM EPD isn't blue.
No one commenting on the use of an X51 son???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 20:14:54 GMT -6
kclark, we love our Revolution genetics. Daughters are moderate frame and have nice tight udders with good teat structure and bulls have had some nice length, depth, and thickness to them and been good gainers. We bred a Revolution son out of a Logic dam that we kept semen interest on and his calves have been just as good as anything we've been breeding AI and you'll see some calves out of him in another post I'm going to have tonight. Wish I could give you a strong opinion on X51 but just haven't used or seen anything out of him in person. I like how he is bred as he has 7 SOD's in his 3 generation pedigree and on his dam's side is Feltons Domino 774 and the 1 774 cow we have has been pumping out nothing but solid females for us.
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Post by oakcreekfarm on Apr 13, 2015 6:43:55 GMT -6
tumblingrunfarm, how many z80 calves have you seen in person?
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Post by tumblingrunfarm on Jun 29, 2015 22:00:36 GMT -6
Oakcreekfarm, I am going to see what was told to me a very impressive Z80 son on July 18th, out of a really good World Class cow.
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