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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 19:56:57 GMT -6
I thumbed through the catalog on the Grandview/CMR dispersal and it seems strange there are no cattle that trace back to the old CMR Rollo/Victor genetics. As many years as CMR has been in business it surprises me that the original CMR foundation cows don't seem to be represented in the dispersal at all.
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Post by cflory on Oct 12, 2013 22:14:19 GMT -6
Don't know about the old lines they had but I didn't stop turning until page 122. I have never been high on Remitall because of birth weights but everything seems to have it in the pedigree. Even at page 122 they still had victor boomer showing but I would try the heifer A lots. I wouldn't mind trying some semen on lot 435 but probably out of my ballpark.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 22:54:09 GMT -6
Lots of scary birth weights. Lots of scurrs and horns for a polled sale.
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Post by bookcliff on Oct 13, 2013 8:59:27 GMT -6
no great suprize considering after all it is Mckeller and Co
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Post by strojanherefords on Oct 14, 2013 13:42:49 GMT -6
Lots of scary birth weights. Lots of scurrs and horns for a polled sale. Holden says crossing an unrelated hereford with a line one will result in as much hybrid vigor as crossbreeding will. Since hybrid vigor is not inheritable and skews the relationship between phenotype and genotype; I believe that most of that crossing should be left for the customer to make. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 17:22:51 GMT -6
I'm not familiar with their herd's history but looking through the sale catalog I think they have a pretty nice set of females. The BW EPDs are mixed bag abut there are plenty of females throughout the catalog that are below breed average I thought. If we were in the market for some replacement females would probably keep an eye on this sale and try to find a few bargains as I think they have some pretty consistent and good balance in their EPD lines.
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Post by George on Oct 14, 2013 19:26:34 GMT -6
I'm not familiar with their herd's history but looking through the sale catalog I think they have a pretty nice set of females. The BW EPDs are mixed bag abut there are plenty of females throughout the catalog that are below breed average I thought. If we were in the market for some replacement females would probably keep an eye on this sale and try to find a few bargains as I think they have some pretty consistent and good balance in their EPD lines. Yeah, I'm flush with females right now or I'd probably go and try to find some bargains in those big BW EPD Remitall breeding cattle.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 20:22:35 GMT -6
Maybe I'm missing something with what some people think are big BW when I hear some of the BS breeders around here that tell me their 6.0 BW bull will be just fine on heifers. Breed average is 3.5 for BW so we like to stay around there or under and there are several females on that sale under breed average for BW. Plus you can always breed them to a low BW to help that too. I do see the higher BW that comes with their Remitall lines, would be more worried about it with the bulls than the females though. Look at some of those females in the 500's lots with more of the CMR breeding and there are some nice uddered cows along with a few with Online and Boomer lines with some pretty low BW numbers too. Guess it is all in the eye of the beholder but I think if you do your research there are some pretty good females to be had on the sale.
I know what you are talking about BW issues with some of the Remitall lines. We once bought a bull that went back to Boomer 46B who disappointed us with some big birth weights. Got caught up with a good looking bull that had some success in the show ring and thought our low BW females could offset his BW in order to add some thickness to our cattle and wound up with some heavier calves than we like.
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Post by George on Oct 14, 2013 20:50:25 GMT -6
Funny how sometimes you can make a post and it be taken the wrong way.
I wasn't denigrating the Remitalls. I was actually saying that I'd be interested in some of them - and some will be discounted because of the BW EPDs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 21:05:22 GMT -6
Funny how sometimes you can make a post and it be taken the wrong way. I wasn't denigrating the Remitalls. I was actually saying that I'd be interested in some of them - and some will be discounted because of the BW EPDs. That's the beauty of the internet, its hard to capture the tone of what someone is typing! I usually agree with your opinions so I obviously took that one the wrong way. We had some years we were "scouting" some dispersal sales and picked up some good buys and this is a sale I think we'd be watching if we were in the market for some females but we're having to cull some to get down to a manageable number so will be curious to look over the sale results to see what some of these females sell for. |
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Post by George on Oct 14, 2013 21:17:17 GMT -6
There is a lot of nice cattle in that sale. I'm kinda disappointed though because a bull that has been on my watch list to use via AI is their Sonora bull and there's so little sired by him in the sale that they must have been less than impressed with his calves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 8:24:42 GMT -6
I'm not familiar with their herd's history but looking through the sale catalog I think they have a pretty nice set of females. The BW EPDs are mixed bag abut there are plenty of females throughout the catalog that are below breed average I thought. If we were in the market for some replacement females would probably keep an eye on this sale and try to find a few bargains as I think they have some pretty consistent and good balance in their EPD lines. Yeah, I'm flush with females right now or I'd probably go and try to find some bargains in those big BW EPD Remitall breeding cattle. George, Do you think, in general, the Remitall cattle's birthweights aren't as high as their bw epd's make them look when compared to other Herefords with lower bw epd's ? |
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Post by George on Oct 16, 2013 12:47:23 GMT -6
All I can speak from is my own personal experience. I used a 20X son for several years, then stacked a Pounder son on his daughters. Both had pedigree BW EPDs of around +6. I pulled one 90 lb. calf from a Line 1 heifer the first year (2004), then never pulled another calf until 2009 when I had a breech birth in a heifer, ironically from a granddaughter of the heifer whose calf I had pulled in 2004. I've had almost no calving problems from using bulls that all are breed average or above in BW EPD and virtually all the calves I've had would fall into what I've guessed to be less than 90 lb. actual birthweights.
In talking to other cattlemen, several have told me that MY experience must be due to my management style, rather than a true reflection of BW EPDs. It's hard to completely discount that, because I choose to not feed my bred heifers any range cubes during the last trimester and sometimes they are even a little thin when they calve. I have also calved about half of them at 27-28 months rather than 24.
I will also say that I recently tried to market some weaning age bulls for the first time in several years. A high percentage of the initial calls I got were from Angus based breeders and they ALL lost interest in those bulls when I told them that I thought they would be really good on mature cows, but I wouldn't recommend using the bulls on their heifers until I first saw a calf crop from them. So, I have experienced that resistance to BW firsthand now.
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Post by blueribbonfarms on Oct 16, 2013 14:30:45 GMT -6
You bring up ant interesting point, look at all of the good cattle that have come from 20x and his descendants. In todays world nobody would use him because they would say his bw epd was to high. Think of where the breed would be if he would never have been used to the extent that he was.
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Post by bookcliff on Oct 16, 2013 17:39:15 GMT -6
to each there own on 20X and the whole Remi-feedbucket program. used him back in the early 90's. yes the cattle had growth and muscle but at a cost of alot of +100 lbs calves and those 100+ lbs BW's were completely unmerchandisable to our range bull customers at CCR. used Governor in the late 90's and same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 11:18:27 GMT -6
There is a lot of nice cattle in that sale. I'm kinda disappointed though because a bull that has been on my watch list to use via AI is their Sonora bull and there's so little sired by him in the sale that they must have been less than impressed with his calves. Did you ever see the Sonora bull? Any idea how he died? |
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Post by fivestarherefords on Nov 7, 2013 20:45:19 GMT -6
Anybody know if the sale will be broadcast on any of the bidding sites?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 7:42:47 GMT -6
Dvauction has their catalog, but I don't see anything about online bidding.
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Post by strojanherefords on Nov 21, 2013 16:09:13 GMT -6
I see nobody has bragged about their purchases yet.
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